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Widowmaker approach at Roswell NM

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Prozac919
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:34 pm 

Many years ago in pilot training, we all had to fly a bear of an approach known as the Widowmaker at Roswell. I can't find this approach anymore. Does anyone know if there is a copy of this procedure posted anywhere on the internet?
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CRJCapt
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:56 pm 

What type of approach? ID of airport? I love interesting approaches. Smile

I've found the ILS 21 at KROW. The Window maker was a High ILS 21. I am still looking but here is what I have so far.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0513/00354I21.PDF

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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:09 pm 

Post Screenshots Please! Very Happy Razz
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:18 am 

I found the HI ILS 21 Roswell, NM. (KROW). I had a hard time getting it to print out correctly. Right click and select [save picture as...] then send it to your desktop. Then you can print the entire chart. I can't wait to fly it in the Lear 45! Smile

http://www.clemsonpilot.com/roswell.jpg

Here's another unique approach:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0513/05222VDTZ15.PDF

Could you imagine this approach partial panel? Shocked
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Prozac919
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:59 pm 

Thanks, the HI ILS is the approach I remember. I'll install the T-38 model to make it even more challenging (lousy aircraft for an instrument trainer which was probably why the AF used it).
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:49 pm 

That HI ILS 21 into KROW is wild! At 300 kts GS, you need a descent rate of 7000 FPM to descend from 15000 to 8000 ft. within the 5 miles alloted. WoW. Shocked
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Prozac919
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:19 pm 

Hey CRJCapt. Maybe we should create an online log of everyone who successfully flies the Widowmaker. When you fly this for real, you get to sign a log in the Roswell FBO.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:26 am 

Yea, that's an idea. Wink I think that I misread the chart. I thought that you had to cross the 11 DME fix at 15000 then the 16 DME fix below 8000. But as I look closer, you have to cross the 020 Radial on the arc below 8000. That's gives you more distance than I originally thought. If my computations are correct, that's 5 nm to the arc then 5.3 nm on the arc to the 020 Radial. So 7000 ft. in 10 nm = 7 degrees and at 300 Kts. GS would require +3500 FPM. Not as bad as I thought but still quite a fast descent.
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:50 pm 

i did it. Just come back from my X Country flying the almighty T38-C
3 times done , 2 in actual weather and 1 in VMC. the easiest way is coming from the holding and fly 250 but if u like challenging yourself 300 Kcas is the best way.... IDLE speed brage and 10 to 15 nose low...
not too bad Very Happy
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