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UG_PL
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Well ,I know that "Good" sound card can bring your FPS up as much as 15 frames per second. If you have sound quality at very high.FSX dose not have such a option and it probably have very high quality. I saw BIIGG difference in Battlefield 2 between low and high, 20FPS!!!! 
So I'm getting new sound card and I hope it will help a little bit  AMD64 X2 5000+ , Asus HD3850 512MB @ 755Mhz/925Mhz, 2GB OCZ DDR2-800 , Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA ,Biostar TF560 AM2/AM2+ , Antec TrueBlue 2.0 480W , Sound Blaster Audigy SE <=== FSX Killer . |
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PIC1stOfficer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:20 pm |
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UG_PL wrote:Well ,I know that "Good" sound card can bring your FPS up as much as 15 frames per second.
Never heard that one before, wonder what one has to do with the other? |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:59 am |
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UG_PL wrote:Well ,I know that "Good" sound card can bring your FPS up as much as 15 frames per second. If you have sound quality at very high.FSX dose not have such a option and it probably have very high quality. I saw BIIGG difference in Battlefield 2 between low and high, 20FPS!!!!
So I'm getting new sound card and I hope it will help a little bit |
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mattdean
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:47 am |
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UG_PL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:39 am |
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CrashGordon wrote:UG_PL wrote:Well ,I know that "Good" sound card can bring your FPS up as much as 15 frames per second. If you have sound quality at very high.FSX dose not have such a option and it probably have very high quality. I saw BIIGG difference in Battlefield 2 between low and high, 20FPS!!!!
So I'm getting new sound card and I hope it will help a little bit
You don't know anything about hardware CrashGordon......
People don't realize that their soundcard can make noticeable difference in FPS!
Especially when moving from onboard to a sound card....
at toms hardware They showed a graph which represented about a 10 FPS difference between AC 97' and an Audigy 2 in Quake III.
To day i did a little test on FSX ,I disabled my onboard sound card...
With sound about 12-14FPS
Without the sound 15-22FPS
it was done with the same plane/city and settings....pretty good ....huuh?
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UG_PL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:40 am |
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PIC1stOfficer wrote:UG_PL wrote:Well ,I know that "Good" sound card can bring your FPS up as much as 15 frames per second.
Never heard that one before, wonder what one has to do with the other?
your onboard sound card is using your CPU. as much as 15% AMD64 X2 5000+ , Asus HD3850 512MB @ 755Mhz/925Mhz, 2GB OCZ DDR2-800 , Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA ,Biostar TF560 AM2/AM2+ , Antec TrueBlue 2.0 480W , Sound Blaster Audigy SE <=== FSX Killer . |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:03 am |
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First, you didn't mention that you had onboard sound in your original post. You mentioned something about getting a good sound card which could legitimately been interpreted as being opposed to a bad sound card.
Second, when you use references to Battlefield 2 and Quake III, they are meaningless to me. I have no interest in exploring things the world would be better off without.
Third, my onboard sound doesn't cause me any problems. CrashGordon
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mavermick
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:16 pm |
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I think that reply is quite rude. All the author is saying is that to include a good quality sound card may increase your FPS. Problems or not, I know of no gamer who wouldn't want to see FPS increase.
What you say is like having a car with a boot full of concrete blocks.....and being happy with the mpg/performance because the car gets you there. Makes no sense. Empty the boot, get better performance and improved mpg. |
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omgttfs
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:01 pm |
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CrashGordon wrote:
Third, my onboard sound doesn't cause me any problems.
ummmmm, yes it does, it eats your frame rate by using up cpu cycles.
Being ignorant to that fact, doesn't make it less of a fact. Head,sand....you know the rest.
Second, when you use references to Battlefield 2 and Quake III, they are meaningless to me. I have no interest in exploring things the world would be better off without.
Again, head, sand. Dismissing legitimate benchmarks because of philosophy is the nuttiest thing I've read on the internet tonight....and I've read some crazy shizzle.
I do agree though, that the original post does lead one to assume the comparison is between two different pci sound cards.
For what it's woth, swapping from onboard to Audigy4 (all sliders right) I got 12fps increase in Call of Duty 2, 9fps in FS9. |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:21 pm |
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Reply to the last few posts:
I think that reply is quite rude.
And I think an obsession with frame rates is unhealthy.
your onboard sound card is using your CPU. as much as 15%
Then, it is illogical to assume that if one gets 15 FPS with on-board sound, they can expect any more than 17.25 FPS with a sound card. Do the math.
I know of no gamer who wouldn't want to see FPS increase.
I know no gamers.
Dismissing legitimate benchmarks because of philosophy is the nuttiest thing I've read on the internet tonight
That's like using the Idi Amin as a benchmark in leadership skills.
The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic. If you are using FS and it appears smooth, the insane need to raise the FPS shown in red letters across the top of the screen, simply makes no sense.
The FPS requirements of a point and shoot game are not relevant to FS. It is a classic apples and oranges comparison.
Obviously, I am heavily biased against games. That irks gamers, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them, because they think what they do is "cool".  CrashGordon
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Heero884
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:19 pm |
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CrashGordon wrote:Reply to the last few posts:
I think that reply is quite rude.
And I think an obsession with frame rates is unhealthy.
your onboard sound card is using your CPU. as much as 15%
Then, it is illogical to assume that if one gets 15 FPS with on-board sound, they can expect any more than 17.25 FPS with a sound card. Do the math.
I know of no gamer who wouldn't want to see FPS increase.
I know no gamers.
Dismissing legitimate benchmarks because of philosophy is the nuttiest thing I've read on the internet tonight
That's like using the Idi Amin as a benchmark in leadership skills.
The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic. If you are using FS and it appears smooth, the insane need to raise the FPS shown in red letters across the top of the screen, simply makes no sense.
The FPS requirements of a point and shoot game are not relevant to FS. It is a classic apples and oranges comparison.
Obviously, I am heavily biased against games. That irks gamers, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them, because they think what they do is "cool".
ignorance is bliss |
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mavermick
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:56 pm |
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CrashGordon.....please don't be under any illusion that you are running/playing anything other than a game. It's a very good game, but a game it is. I just thought you were rude when the original poster was trying to offer advice to those who wanted it, yet all you could do was introduce sarcasm. It is not a simulator for many reasons....and these do not need listing as for anyone in the know they are most obvious.
If my system were restricted to 15 FPS (they crazy thing is I couldn't give a toss, but I came here to stand up to a bully), I think you would find that 2-3 FPS increase would be more than welcome by the majority of peeps. I think it is a significant increase. People in the UK are subject to 17.5% VAT yet it is a most unwelcome tax, there would be mass happiness if it was ditched.
Oh...your clever dick attitude is wasted on me. I've got a B.Eng in electronics, PhD in neural networks, chartered membership of the IET and last, but not least, holder of a JAR PPL. Oh, I teach kids maths too. |
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99jolegg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:13 pm |
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Shall we put the game / simulation debate, in the same place as the Boeing / Airbus debate?
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Greekman72
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:25 pm |
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99jolegg wrote:Shall we put the game / simulation debate, in the same place as the Boeing / Airbus debate?
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omgttfs
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:55 pm |
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Obviously, I am heavily biased against games
. Dude, you are a gamer.
That irks gamers
Dude, you are gamer.
, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them
Dude, you are a gamer.
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The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic.
Dude, you are a gamer! Did you think you're a pilot? |
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UG_PL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:05 pm |
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CrashGordon is very ignorant! AMD64 X2 5000+ , Asus HD3850 512MB @ 755Mhz/925Mhz, 2GB OCZ DDR2-800 , Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA ,Biostar TF560 AM2/AM2+ , Antec TrueBlue 2.0 480W , Sound Blaster Audigy SE <=== FSX Killer .
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1Gamer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:12 pm |
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omgttfs wrote:
Obviously, I am heavily biased against games
. Dude, you are a gamer.
That irks gamers
Dude, you are gamer.
, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them
Dude, you are a gamer.
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The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic.
Dude, you are a gamer! Did you think you're a pilot?
FINALLY, an uprising against CrashGordon. Ok, ok....I'm a well know member here but I don't want anyone to see who I am so I go under 1Gamer....but Crash, why do you always act like such a a$$hole to people? We all share the same liking for this GAME/simulator and you don't have to talk like you know everything. I speak on behalf of the others here, we are tired of your "Oh mighty and powerful" attitude to people. Can't we all just get along!? |
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99jolegg
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1Gamer wrote:I'm a well know member here but I don't want anyone to see who I am so I go under 1Gamer....
How mature and corageous
1Gamer wrote:I speak on behalf of the others here, we are tired of your "Oh mighty and powerful" attitude to people.
Are we? Well thanks for letting us know.
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UG_PL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:18 pm |
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Yes we are 99jolegg. I'm tired of his stupid comments everytime I post something . AMD64 X2 5000+ , Asus HD3850 512MB @ 755Mhz/925Mhz, 2GB OCZ DDR2-800 , Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA ,Biostar TF560 AM2/AM2+ , Antec TrueBlue 2.0 480W , Sound Blaster Audigy SE <=== FSX Killer . |
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1Gamer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:20 pm |
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99jolegg wrote:1Gamer wrote:I'm a well know member here but I don't want anyone to see who I am so I go under 1Gamer....
How mature and corageous
1Gamer wrote:I speak on behalf of the others here, we are tired of your "Oh mighty and powerful" attitude to people.
Are we? Well thanks for letting us know.
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm a coward for posting as a guest but are you saying CrashGordon isn't an a$$hole to people!? If you do, I have lost all respect for you.....I'm sure Crash is a nice guy in person but just stop treating people like trash(even though some of them may be! ) This is supposed to be a friendly website. |
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Faucett
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:18 pm |
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UG_PL wrote:CrashGordon is very ignorante!
You might want to learn to spell ignorant before calling somebody that
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99jolegg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:24 pm |
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1Gamer wrote:but are you saying CrashGordon isn't an a$$hole to people!?
Yes I am. Speaking your mind in a relatively polite way (not including grumpyness) doesn't render you an 'a$$hole'.
1Gamer wrote:If you do, I have lost all respect for you..
I haven't a clue who you are, thus I don't care.
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Greekman72
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:30 pm |
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I don't recognize the well (good ,old)known Fly Away forums... 
I would like to please everyone one here...Members-Guests-Members posting as guests...To calm down ,to relax and discuss in a civilized way about our issues.
We all can have our views for Flight Simulation but I beg in the name of any God you believe to try behave like humans with self-respect and sence...
PLEASE |
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1Gamer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:42 pm |
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UG_PL wrote:Yes we are 99jolegg. I'm tired of his stupid comments everytime I post something .
Well, I guess its just me and you UG, I don't know why everyone else isn't recognizing this problem...... |
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Faucett
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:51 pm |
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Greekman72 wrote:I don't recognize the well (good ,old)known Fly Away forums...
Nor I, GM, nor I  |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:14 pm |
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omgttfs wrote:
Obviously, I am heavily biased against games
. Dude, you are a gamer.
That irks gamers
Dude, you are gamer.
, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them
Dude, you are a gamer.
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The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic.
Dude, you are a gamer! Did you think you're a pilot?
I think I am using a simulator. I know the word "Dude" is used by those I have a very low regard for. And, no, I am definitely not a  gamer.
If the best you can do is hurl the same inult over and over again, I guess we have nothing to discuss. CrashGordon
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:40 pm |
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1Gamer wrote:
FINALLY, an uprising against CrashGordon. Ok, ok....I'm a well know member here but I don't want anyone to see who I am so I go under 1Gamer....but Crash, why do you always act like such a a$$hole to people? We all share the same liking for this GAME/simulator and you don't have to talk like you know everything. I speak on behalf of the others here, we are tired of your "Oh mighty and powerful" attitude to people. Can't we all just get along!?
How brave you are. Well, I suppose if I were quoting Rodney King, I'd want anonymity, too.
Usenet newsreaders have a means to not display posts by those one finds offensive or annoying. Too bad that level of technology doesn't exist here. CrashGordon
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heero884
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:49 pm |
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CrashGordon wrote:1Gamer wrote:
FINALLY, an uprising against CrashGordon. Ok, ok....I'm a well know member here but I don't want anyone to see who I am so I go under 1Gamer....but Crash, why do you always act like such a a$$hole to people? We all share the same liking for this GAME/simulator and you don't have to talk like you know everything. I speak on behalf of the others here, we are tired of your "Oh mighty and powerful" attitude to people. Can't we all just get along!?
How brave you are. Well, I suppose if I were quoting Rodney King, I'd want anonymity, too.
Usenet newsreaders have a means to not display posts by those one finds offensive or annoying. Too bad that level of technology doesn't exist here. |
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UG_PL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:52 pm |
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CrashGordon wrote:omgttfs wrote:
Obviously, I am heavily biased against games
. Dude, you are a gamer.
That irks gamers
Dude, you are gamer.
, so I am sure we will see more nonsense posted by them
Dude, you are a gamer.
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The irrational obsession with FPS, that gamers have, defies logic.
Dude, you are a gamer! Did you think you're a pilot?
I think I am using a simulator. I know the word "Dude" is used by those I have a very low regard for. And, no, I am definitely not a gamer.
If the best you can do is hurl the same inult over and over again, I guess we have nothing to discuss.
This is the last post in this thread from me....
CrashGordon you are probobly 50year old guy(thats why you are saying that you are not a gamer ,you are too OLD!!!) sitting in front of crappy PC that have integrated Video card and Pentium 3 ,and telling people that they have to follow technology.You also are posting some realy crappy Shots from FSX and you are expecting everyone to say... WOW what a beautiful shots,this is master piece and you are the best....
Well it will never happen my friend .... Yes you are playing game ,and yes,you are fan boy of microsoft and you will most likely kiss Bill Gates  and do what ever he will tell you and sell you.
You dont know anything about PC's but somehow you are pretending as one who knows everything.
Well Kiss my Gordy!!! AMD64 X2 5000+ , Asus HD3850 512MB @ 755Mhz/925Mhz, 2GB OCZ DDR2-800 , Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA ,Biostar TF560 AM2/AM2+ , Antec TrueBlue 2.0 480W , Sound Blaster Audigy SE <=== FSX Killer . |
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CrashGordon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:59 pm |
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heero884 wrote:CrashGordon wrote:Usenet newsreaders have a means to not display posts by those one finds offensive or annoying. Too bad that level of technology doesn't exist here.
Yes they call it that so they can sell millions of copies more to gamers. Simulator has too many syllables for that target audience. CrashGordon
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