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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:13 pm |
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Looking at this pic, I began to wonder, how many landings does an aircrafts tire last before it is thin and bauld? (All Planes i'm on about)
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Tartanaviation First Officer


Joined: Oct 10, 2003 Posts: 282 Location: Scotland, UK |
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:29 pm |
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On your car, you buy a set of tires that last for 40,000 miles or more. Airplanes spend much of their lives in the air (or parked). Their tires are only moving on the ground during the one-mile runway run and another mile to the terminal. Their VERY advanced, very expensive tires have a tread life on the scale of one hundred miles!
OK! When could enormous wear occur? During low speed taxiing? No, there is extremely little tire wear under those conditions. During a takeoff? A moderate amount of wear can occur then, due to the fairly high speed attained just before liftoff. But that cannot possibly account for a tire tread lifetime of just a hundred miles or so.
There are two situations during landing that can (and do) wear the tires extremely rapidly. Prior to large airplanes having ABS brake systems, it was possible for a pilot to apply the brakes so aggressively in slowing the plane down that he could "lock up" one or more of the wheels. If that wheel remained in that position, a LOT of wear could occur on one side of that tire, resulting in something called "flat-spotting". That is virtually unheard of today because of the automatic action of ABS brakes.
That leaves only one remaining situation that can result in rapid wear in the tires, at that instant of touchdown, when the very heavy non-spinning wheel and tire assemblies must suddenly be sped up to 130 mph (110 knots) by friction with the pavement of the runway. This fraction of a second, mentioned above, with its puff of smoke from wearing of tire tread and its skid marks that are additional parts of the tire that came off, is therefore the cause of virtually all of the wear on aircraft tires. In Physics terms, the contact with the runway must apply an enormous moment (torque) to give the tire/wheel an angular acceleration to get the rotation up to the necessary speed to avoid further skidding.
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:36 pm |
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ta! |
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hinch Chief Captain


Joined: Aug 27, 2005 Posts: 1775 Location: Tyrol |
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:35 pm |
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the poor english in this topic is scary!
they are = they're not their!
etc.
but 'How often do Aircraft Tyres last?' i think tyres do last more often than not...but then you'd need a timescale to qualify what 'last' was
i'm not nagging, but i hope you'll learn! i can only spell tomorrow correctly because my girlfriend kept telling me off for using two 'm's. |
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omgttfs First Officer


Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 150 Location: at your mothers house, she says "Hi" |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 am |
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Funny thing is, I remember when I was about 10 (1980), I whatched a show that was discussing this extreme tyre wear upon landing. Someone had invented a fan/cupped attatched for the wheels that spun the wheels up with the wind speed which resulted in virtually no tyre smoke on touchdown.
What ever happened to that I wonder?
Goodyear probably bought the patent!
Hinch: It's a pity your girlfriend doesn't nag you about capitalising proper nouns, pronouns and the beginning of sentences, but I know what you're saying, it can make it diffult to understand someones question/reply if it's written poorly.
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Guest Ed Guest

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:30 am |
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omgttfs wrote:Funny thing is, I remember when I was about 10 (1980), I whatched a show that was discussing this extreme tyre wear upon landing. Someone had invented an fan/cupped attatched for the wheels that spun the wheels up with the wind speed which resulted in virtually no tyre smoke on touchdown.
What ever happened to that I wonder?
Everything in the airline business is done on the basis of cost. If it is cheaper to go through tires rapidly than it is to install that invention, that's what they'll do.
Anything that you add to an aircraft is enormously expensive to develope, test, get certified by the appropriate government agencies, install, inspect and maintain. On top of that, anything that adds weight to the aircraft costs money, just for the fuel to haul it back and forth through the air. Just a being a "good idea" is not enough justification. I'm guessing that it's cheaper to just burn up the tires.
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omgttfs First Officer


Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 150 Location: at your mothers house, she says "Hi" |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:39 am |
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agreed.
The same reason why microwave ovens still aren't used on planes, too expensive to test and certify compliance with all aircraft systems. My brother in law is a electrical tech for BA at Heathrow, he listed a whole range of things that confirm your statement. |
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Guest Ed Guest

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:15 am |
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Yeah, I used to work for a company that built altimeters and airspeed indicators. It's hard enough to get something like approved, and almost every airplane in the world has one of each!
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Tailhook Chief Captain


Joined: Oct 12, 2005 Posts: 8480 Location: El Dorado |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:01 am |
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omgttfs wrote:
Hinch: It's a pity your girlfriend doesn't nag you about capitalising proper nouns, pronouns and the beginning of sentences..
Oh if only I had your courage. The only excuse hinch could possibly have is 'artistic licence' - seing that he's old enough to have a girlfriend |
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hinch Chief Captain


Joined: Aug 27, 2005 Posts: 1775 Location: Tyrol |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:48 am |
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my shift key doesn't work (but no, i wouldn't use it anyway) and if you study english you may get to do an interesting article on how so many languages don't use capitals because they're just not needed.
not justifying, but it's interesting. english is an interesting thing - treat it well.
why the hell would i captilise a pronoun anyway |
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:53 am |
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english is an interesting thing - treat it well.
Well you couldn't say that Everyone in the UK speaks English! |
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omgttfs First Officer


Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 150 Location: at your mothers house, she says "Hi" |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:26 am |
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hinch wrote:
why the hell would i captilise a pronoun anyway 
LOL, you missed one in that sentence. "I" is a pronoun.
Now back in the corner!
...and yes, I understand the irony of starting a sentence about written English with "LOL". |
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:30 am |
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LOL, you missed one in that sentence. "I" is a pronoun.
Now back in the corner!
Stfu - ROFL to your comment. This forum is not about Spelling, Its about Aircraft Tyres lol.
D0N'|' /\/\1\/\|) |33(4|_|53 4/\/5\/\/3A|2 |-|4S |333N 541|)
Figure that one out ^^ lol |
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ARD-DC Captain


Joined: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 507 Location: Rotterdam Proximity - Holland |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:28 pm |
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dannyboy2005 wrote:D0N'|' /\/\1\/\|) |33(4|_|53 4/\/5\/\/3A|2 |-|4S |333N 541|)
Figure that one out ^^ lol
Don't mind realise answear has been said
...thats the most i can make out of it :/ - and thats not even right.
Then again Im no expert at cryptography, and I was born just after the leetspeak generation
[EDIT] that should be "born BEFORE the" .... obviously
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CRJCapt Chief Captain


Joined: Sep 12, 2005 Posts: 4281 Location: Ohio,USA |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:35 pm |
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D0N'|' /\/\1\/\|) |33(4|_|53 4/\/5\/\/3A|2 |-|4S |333N 541|)
I put the above code into Google and a warning screen appeared saying that the CIA are on their way, I'd broken into a government computer system.
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ARD-DC Captain


Joined: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 507 Location: Rotterdam Proximity - Holland |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:39 pm |
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let us know what prison they're taking you to before you are  from society, so we can send you a card! |
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hinch Chief Captain


Joined: Aug 27, 2005 Posts: 1775 Location: Tyrol |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:10 pm |
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omgttfs wrote:hinch wrote:
why the hell would i captilise a pronoun anyway 
LOL, you missed one in that sentence. "I" is a pronoun.
Now back in the corner!
'i' does not have to be capitalised so ner ner ner ner nerrr  it's just common practice not a ruuuuuule
i'm more worried by the secret code eeeeep.
as it starts with 'i don't give..' i think i can guess the secret ASCII code of sorts  maybe the CIA puts such things on their forms as a secret insult. |
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:57 pm |
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D0N'|' /\/\1\/\|) |33(4|_|53 4/\/5\/\/3A|2 |-|4S |333N 541|)
^Don't mind because answear has been said^
Took for ever to "right" that out. Oh dear CRJCapt, |
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SpiderWings Captain


Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 769 Location: KVEL - USA |
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:20 am |
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omgttfs First Officer


Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 150 Location: at your mothers house, she says "Hi" |
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:04 am |
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hinch wrote:
'i' does not have to be capitalised so ner ner ner ner nerrr  it's just common practice not a ruuuuuule
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Since this thread is a day into its hi-jacking, I'll continue and see if I can't steer this baby into a mountain.
You should capitalise "I". It is a basic rule of written English.
Not that I care, I'm not the grammer police, I'm just having a chat. |
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Tailhook Chief Captain


Joined: Oct 12, 2005 Posts: 8480 Location: El Dorado |
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:15 am |
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hinch wrote:.. how so many languages don't use capitals because they're just not needed.
Only languages that don't use the Latin/Roman alphabet don't use majuscules, also known as capital letters. This makes your argument utterly irrelevant. After all we're dealing here with and are conversing in English.
Let me spell it out loud and clear: In English, capital letters are needed. In English, the nominative form of the singular first-person pronoun, I, is capitalized, along with all its contractions (I'll, I'm, etc).
I guess your statement that 'how so many languages don't use capitals because they're just not needed' is based on hearsay. I find it difficult to imagine that you would bother studying characters other than the roman ones you already know seing that to do the right thing by your fellow forumites doesn't seem to be worth your effort. |
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:14 pm |
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back to my question
I was watching "Discovery Science" on Sky and a Programe came on called "I Never Knew That" I watched it and it was telling you about Aircraft Tyres.
I didn't know, and maybe you didn't ither, that the tyre, yes, tyre, the rubber round thing on a 747 durning take off get's between 120ºC and 150ºC Depending on how heavy the 747 is. The tyre is very expensive and contains ALOT of soot, the black powdery stuff found up a chimney. This gives strength and durability, not so much grip. A Plane is only expected to do about 7 miles on the ground from departure to arrival.
I never knew that |
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:32 pm |
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dannyboy2005 wrote:back to my question
The tyre is very expensive and contains ALOT of soot, the black powdery stuff found up a chimney. This gives strength and durability, not so much grip. A Plane is only expected to do about 7 miles on the ground from departure to arrival.
I never knew that 
Actually, that is true of automobile tires as well. The main difference between "performance" tires and "long mileage" tires is the amount of carbon (soot) in the rubber. Less carbon, the rubber is sticker but doesn't last as long, and you get a performance tire. More carbon, and the tire will last longer but you wouldn't want to race on them.
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dannyboy2005 First Officer


Joined: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Trampy Bedford, UK (Sh1t Hole) |
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:37 pm |
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Correct, And less carbon makes tyres more gripper and softer, making great racing tyre's. The only problem is it only does a few perthetic miles before the tyre is bauld or trashed. Did you watch same programe then? |
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:12 pm |
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dannyboy2005 wrote: Did you watch same programe then?
No, I'm just old enough to have bought a lot of automobile tires. I must have read the brochure or something.
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CrashGordon Chief Captain


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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:15 am |
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dannyboy2005 wrote:LOL, you missed one in that sentence. "I" is a pronoun.
Now back in the corner!
Stfu - ROFL to your comment. This forum is not about Spelling, Its about Aircraft Tyres lol.
Nor is it about tire wear. They don't wear out in FS. This belongs in the off topic forum.
By the way, the fact that you abbreviate it doesn't make you less of a potty mouth than someone who spells it out. CrashGordon
CEO, Omega-Air Virtual airlines |
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