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Guest Guest

Every time that I enter the hold over the SEA VOR on the instrument checkride I fail the checkride. I am holding 3000' and rolling out right on 320 for the outbound leg of the hold. As soon as I roll out on 320 I bust.

Chris330 Guest

No shit brother. Same thing happened to me. Eventually I just setup my own flight in bad weather and flew the exact same course as the checkride. I passed myself. Also had problems with the ATC too not recognising changes in ircraft heading. When I bought this game I thought I was buying real quality. In fact I was buying a game that has not been finished (or tested) Cool

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Mad

No shit is right!! Damn this crap. It's not like me to give up but I said to hell with it and moved on to the commercial ticket (I'm pissed with that too but for other reasons). I have about 55 hours PIC time in real aircraft from 150's to 172 to glider, tomahawk etc.. Don't tell me I'm not doing everything right!! I hate that bitch examiner!!

I passed the student and got a private cert. not the cutesy cutting of the shirt tails as promised, private checkride was easy and now, no way in hell to pass the instrument. Microsoft has pissed me off yet again!

Pro Member Trainee
Fullflaps Trainee

For FS 2004

When the Dragon Lady sez' turn left to 160^ (and climb to 3000') and fly direct to SEA-VOR she means "direct", so intercept the R-160.

I have read directions from FS2002 that say cross at 140^ L to 110^ or 160^ and do a parallel entry, none worked for me in FS 2004. Even MS own instructions say "Cross SEA VOR on any heading". Tried that!

Try a "teardrop" entry IE: Cross SEA-VOR on 160^ at 3000', Standard left turn to 110^ (140-30=110). Stay on 110^ for 1 minute, Setting NAV1 to 320^.
Make a standard right turn to intercept the R-320 inbound course. Cross SEA-VOR fix and proceed with the holding pattern.

Hopefully this will work for you too and end the dreded "you did not enter the holding pattern correctly" and the "sorry...." in the middle of your turn

Fullflaps

Guest Guest

I'm having similar issues; however, I can't get to the hold. As I go missed during the first section and cross PARKK, I'm told that the check ride is over.

The lady indicates that I failed to track the 338 course inbound AND that I fail to track 339 during the missed. However I KNOW that I am performing these tasks correctly.

Any thoughts? I am tempted to just move on (as I KNOW I understand the lesson - I am truly Instrument rated), but my meticulous nature does NOT permit me to give up. I do need help though!

BTW - this is a terrific site!

Pro Member Trainee
Dan Randall (Randalism) Trainee

Fullflaps,
When reviewing the text for the checkride, I found the initial runway number to be wrong (16R and not 34R). Once I found this out by flying the actual VOR approach, I flew fine up to the "Hold on 140 SEA VOR" portion. I try direct entry, intercept 140 and make standard right turn when crossing over the SEA VOR.

Could there be a flaw in the actual fix heading (is it really 320 and not 140)?

Once I finish with the teardrop entry, will I be executing a "standard" holding pattern (right turns) or is this information also backwards?

I have read (in German and Spanish) about pilots who passed this checkride by performing the teardrop entry you suggest (although the Google translator called one of them a "Parallel Entry"). They also reported that they get directed to Boeing Field before entering the first turn of the actual holding pattern.

I think I am more confused now than I was when I started looking into this...

Confused

Guest

Hi everyone,
passed the IR checkride few days back and it was handful...there are certain things that you MUST do to make the lady happy.

most people have problems with the HOLD. Another potential area is the procedure turn after the VOR hold.

I know someone who has successfully entered the hold with a tear drop entry...however it never worked for me...Parallel entry works for me. its 100% predictable if u do it right...just fly standard turns

after passing PARKK, as per the lady's instructions, u start left turn....the moment u reach a heading of 160, she will ask you to head directly to SEA VOR...I turn the OBS1 to centre the needle and fly directly to SEA VOR...(generally the heading here around 145)

PLEASE NOTE: The instructions are to HOLD on the 140 radial (this means its a heading of 320 inbound, dont get confused here)

Further at 0.4 DME (overhead SEA VOR) turn left to a heading of 140 to enter parallel entry in the hold...fly for a min & turn right to intercept the 320 inbound (140 radial) and complete the VOR hold with standard turns...

After the hold she will direct you to NOLLA for procedure turn -ILS...

Guest

Anonymous wrote:

Further at 0.4 DME (overhead SEA VOR) turn left to a heading of 140 to enter parallel entry in the hold...fly for a min & turn right to intercept the 320 inbound (140 radial) and complete the VOR hold with standard turns...

Sorry for the right turn above....its LEFT TURN (after flying 1 min) to intercept the 140 radial

cheers,
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Guest

The flight analysis looks like this...

rayz Guest

this is driving me nuts! I have tried to do this for 4 hours! I need to know exactly what to do. This what I have been doing. Fly to SEA VOR(heading of 339 degrees). Follow alt changes till she says to go into HOLD. I stay on course 339 and climb to 2100 feet. I folow this couse and she never tells me to turn. After awhile past PARKK, she says I failed. I tried climbing to 3000 feet after told to HOLD and still I get failed. If I try to turn at PARKK without her saying to do so, it says to return to 338 course heading! From what I have read from GUEST, after I reach PARKK, she SHOULD say to turn LEFT and as soon as you do to about 160 degrees, she SHOULD say to go directly to SEA VOR, which turns out to be 145 degrees. He also says he changes OBS to point directly at SEA VOR(145 ?). Then after .4 DME to SEA VOR, I should turn LEFT to 140 degrees, fly for a minute and turn RIGHT to intercept 320 radial. And to then make procedure turns(45 degee turns?) to keep HOLD pattern. Now what am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

Rayz Shocked

Guest

Hi Rayz,
Does she fail you by saying that 'you have not tracked the 338 course' ?

Here are a few clarification:

The first evaluation is at about 5 to 5.5 NM after you pass SEA VOR..here she will ask you to turn left ONLY if you pass this evaluation. Initially I had a problem here too, you MUST track the 338 course after you pass SEA VOR...one thing I have noticed is that you must NOT get any gold messages (telling you that you are off course, etc) to successfully clear this checkride....

to track the 338 course, here is what I do.

Fly the VOR approach as published with OBS1 to 339. (you dont have a problem here)...pass the SEA VOR at little over 840 feet. The moment you pass SEA VOR, she will ask you to do the missed approach.
Here, I turn the OBS1 to 338 and climb to 2100 and maintain 338 heading...use shift + Z (3 times) when u start the chkride to dispaly the digital read out...you have to track the course with max 2 degree changes...and make sure you are not too off to get you a gold message....the best way is to track the SEA VOR with min deflection on the needle (make very small changes when u are close to the VOR)
at around 5-5.2 NM, she will do the first evaluation. If you pass, she will ask you to turn left.
make sure you pass PARKK (OM will blink) and then start left turn (set OBS1 to 160)
Rest of the things mentioned by you are all correct except:
when u enter HOLD with a heading on 140 and flying for 1 min you have to turn LEFT (and not right) to Intercept 320 (140 radial)..and in the HOLD you fly standard 2 min turns...

the procedure turn comes later after you complete the VOR hold successfully...

good luck,
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rayz Guest

Thank you for replying. I actually using the Visual Flight Guides so I am tracking exactly on the 339 course. I drop down to the lower altitudes pretty fast and then pull up to level off at the 3000 and 1600 feet levels. as soon as I get to SEA VOR, I get a command to lower to 840 feet, but I immediatly get a command to pull up and go into HOLD pattern. So I am at 1600 feet and I pull up to 2100 feet from there. I know it might be a pain, but that flight analysis of yours would be much better with the altitude track. I am seriuosly thinking of skipping this checkride, but its kicking my ass and I hate that! What if my speed drops below 100 as I climb? Can you let me know if you ever exceed any of the limits and not receive a gold message? Thanks again for your time.

rayz

alchemist81 Guest

After having successfully completed the instrument checkride and having poured over the code for this ride, I have a lot of information to share with those of you who are trying to pass this lesson. I believe the knowledge and experience I have acquired may relieve you of a lot of frustrations.

Here is the most important piece of information. We are expected to use a teardrop approach to enter the holding pattern; however, if you do it the way you've been taught in previous lessons, you will fail. The reason for this is you are timed beginning with your passage over the VOR. What resets the timer is the appearance of the off flag on the VOR. So, if you don't fly overtop the VOR, the off flag will not appear and the timer will not be reset. The previous reset point is when you passed over PARKS. That's a lot of time. The limit is 300 (but I' not sure what the units are. These 300 units seem to correspond to 1 minute.). Within this limit, you're expected to turn left to approx'ly 110 degrees, fly for 1 minute, then turn right to intercept the 140 radial inbound. This can't be done. One way to make it work is to fly for only ~ 30 seconds after passing the VOR and having turned onto the 110 degree heading and then turn a little sharper than a stardard rate turn to intercept the 140 degree radial. You must get to within 0.4nm before the timer runs out. I was only able to do this twice but failed for other reasons. Today, I changed the allotted time in the '\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Lessons\instr.abl' file for this section from 300 to 900. Then, I was able to complete the entire course including using the teardrop entrance into the holding pattern as instructed and get my certificate. All this leads me to believe either the timer was mistakenly set too short or there is a flaw in the program logic. It's quite likely that the 300 units of time could have been meant to make sure we don't take too long before we turn to intercept the inbound radial the first time. Unfortunately, it is all the time we are allotted to perform the entire entrance into the holding pattern.

alchemist81@netscape.net

Valen Guest

I found this page via Google, having had some 'difficulties' with this checkride myself. After reading all the posts and looking into this myself, I present the Final Analysis of this bug(!) so that it may hopefully help others who come after me and have the same problem.

Now, the previous post points the right way in that one needs to look into the script, but the conclusion wasn't quite correct. The actual issue is thus:

Up until the point where you travel towards PARKK at 2100ft everything is fine. Even as you're told to climb to 3000ft and turn left to 160 all is good.

But..

As you cross 150 degrees, things go terribly wrong. The timer is reset at this point, but there used to be an in-between step in the script which meant for OBS1 to be set to 159 degrees, and it seems the idea was that you fly inbound at 159 towards SEA VOR. Instead, for whatever reason (maybe they felt it better to let the user choose the approach), the script jumps to the next step. This checks whether the To/From Indicator is NOT "To". This would happen as you cross SEA VOR, but instead the OBS is (normally) still set at 339 with the OBS showing "From", and so the script jumps to the even next step which checks whether you are crossing SEA VOR on the 140 radial inbound (flying 320 degrees), for which you now have 5 minutes time (referring to the previous post: those '300' are indeed seconds). Now remember that at this very moment, you are still in a left-turn from PARKK and just crossed a 150 degrees heading, instead of flying over SEA, at which point 5 minutes would be plenty of time for any maneuver to get on the 140 radial. Oops.

Solutions:

Probably the easiest: Set OBS1 to around 160 degrees after you're told to turn left and climb to 3000ft, and before you reach a heading of 150 degrees.

Permanent: Edit "Flight Simulator 9\Lessons\instr\Rating Checkride.abl" (e.g. drag it into Notepad), find the line with "fnSQ_ChangeState(CaseHold1Entry_2);", and make a new line above it saying "VHFNAV1.OBS = 159;" (no quotes). This will set OBS1 to 159 degrees (at the end of the left-turn) as originally intended, and before it checks whether you're flying towards it.

There certainly would be more elegant ways to modify the script, but this solution will work just fine. You'll have 5 minutes after crossing SEA VOR to enter the holding pattern any way you please. Just hold 3000ft and 100 knots. As a final tip, begin your first standard-rate turn as soon as OBS1 switches away from "To" when entering the holding pattern, else you'll get a message very quickly to bank 20 degrees, and can't pass the checkride anymore.

Have Fun!

Skypple Guest

hi...
I am trying pass this checkride but no sucess in HOLD ... i am getting the 140 radial to VOR and when pass it i turn to right 180 degrees, straight for 1 min then turn again 180 degrees to right to intercept again 140 radial inbound...why this method is wrong ???

tks

Skypple Guest

Hi...i was doing a mistake in HOLD, now i understood the error, i now pass the HOLD but when very close to VOR (in 320 inbound course) he say me to down to 2200 and proceed to Nolla, then i set the radio to 110.9 but dont works...i tryed track the 326 course outbond (from sea VOR) but no sucess...what i need to do ???

tks

Guest

Hi
set NAV1 to 110.9 and OBS1 to 130

You could also set ADF to 362 for NOLLA and/or set GPS to NOLLA waypoint. This certainly helps to fly to NOLLA

hope this helps,
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Guest Y Guest

Hi,
I failed a few times too and now I will try out the solutions given.
Thanks for that.
I noticed another sort of bug. When I check out the analyses I find that I do not cross FACTS, nor Millt intersections and neither ODD. Still I believe I crossed them smack on their heads following the given radial 338 to SEA VOR correctly. Looking at the map analyses I see that my flightpath passes the waypoints too far to the east. Therefore I believe She says I didnot maintain course, nor heading, neither altitude at the given waypoints. Simply because I did not seem to be there according to the program. Am I right and does this make any sense?

Thanks and regards

Skypple Guest

Thanks Guest, today I pass the checkride...really i dont found any bug in this checkride, simply need proceed correctly to pass...i use tear drop to enter in hold pattern, is the best method and more easy...

ciao

skypple Guest

sorry, today i PASSED*.... sorry my english

ciao

Guest Y Guest

Skypple, thanks for your reply.
I will give it a few more tries.
When I pass, I will tell you.
regards.

Skip Cole Guest

This worked for FS2002

Guest

I find that there is nothing wrong with the holding. I asked my instructor how it is done and he said to cross the VOR on a heading of 140 degrees and then perform a parallel entry into the holding patter. This worked for me just fine but when the lady tells me to descend to 2200 and head to the NOLLA outer marker and set the radios to the correct frequency. I do not how I should set the radios for I always fail here. I know I set them to the ILS frequency (110.9) but when and what OBS?

Guest2 Guest

Folks,

When this starts on my box I am several miles south of TCM. I'm on a heading of 066. Do I just keep flying 066 and then turn to 338 to center the SEA needle, or should I head north until on the 066 radial, turn east, then to 338 to center the needle.

Thanks!

A japanese FS fun Guest

Today I finally passed the instrument flight checkride. Very Happy

I think there's another bug.
It wasn't checked whether I had flown throgh the back course of Localizer.
When I came to near NOLLA, she said that I was cleared to land R/W 13R.
I just turned left to HDG320 immediately.
In 10 seconds, I turned left to HDG265, and took a procedure turn.
That's it!

But,there's even more to check.
When I turn to HDG 265 and the bank becomes within four degrees,
time count begins, and I have to keep the bank within 5 degrees until
time count becomes 60 seconds .
This problem can be soloved by modifying the script.(rating_checkride.abl)

I found these bugs by reading the script.
I'm not sure that these bugs happen only in Japanese version.
Sorry for my bad english.
I was helped to enter the holding pattern,so I'd like to provide
some informations about this problem.
Smile

Audrey Guest

hey this is audrey planes are ok but very weird but were in math stragey and it's boring well this is rogers ohio signing out 4 all my negros at beaver local middle school
audrey Twisted Evil [/b]

Guest

If I have the symantics right, you are tracking the 140 COURSE to the SEA vor. If you cross the SEA vor on the 140 course you are in a gray area as far as holding technique. If you cross on a 141 heading should be a parallel entry (turn left to 140, 1 min, turn in the direction of the holding pattern "left", reintercept the 140 radial inbound (320 COURSE). If you cross on a 139 heading you should teardrop (left 110, 1 min, right to roughly 320 to intercept 140 radial inbound (320 course ). Real world, if you're conveniently aligned to teardrop, I would. If you've been turning to 180 you are turning away from holding airspace and venturing into the unknown.

If you want, draw the picture. INbound leg 320 course to SEA vor, right turn outbound on a 140 "no wind" heading 1 min, rt to roughly 320 to reintercept 320 course to "140 radial inbound"

Mathew Turnell Guest

Just passed the checkride Very Happy , and I would like to add some key hints to remember when flying the examen;

*When heading to Parkk, use heading 341 instead of 339, that will take you close enough to it, and set the OBS just after you initiate the missed approach.

*Modify the original script just like our friend above did, it will work.

*Remember to set the OBS to 320 before crossing SEA and starting the procedure turn (you can choose anyone, as long as it doesn't take more than 5 min).

*After giving one lap at SEA, procede 326 outbound for about 5 sec (descending to 2200ft), than pause the simulator and tune NAV1 to Boeing's Field ILS (110.9) and OBS to 130 ( Mad Yes, your are forced to set OBS for this ILS approach, and you need to pause because the script cheks this setting only 30 secs after SEA!)

*Procede to NOLLA using NAV2 OBS 326 and the ADF at 362.0

The following parts are the easiests, and I'm sure you won't have any problems.

If you want, there is a Message Board similar to this one with other Important information.

Nice flying!! Surprised

Guest

Mathew Turnell wrote:

*Modify the original script just like our friend above did, it will work.

I mean, how Valen suggested, at page 1 Embarassed

IFR_checkride Guest

Check out

http://www.simviation.com/fshelp.htm
FS2004 section - Inside the FS2004 Instrument Rating Checkride

for a detailed explanation of the proceedures required and bugs in the checkride.

Guest

I would just like to say that after 6 hours of simulation and reading various FAQs, I am completely giving up on the instrument checkride. The computer fails me on every teensie weensie little course correction if it's off by a degree or two. Doesn't Microsoft know we're not all autopilots and we have better things to do with our lives? I bet average commerical pilots could not do this POS.

On another note, every time I pass the SEA VOR, I am quickly presented with the message "You're too far right." WTF does that mean when I am flying straight down the runway and the flight plan says to turn right one degree, and I haven't even turned yet??? Only one time I was able to avoid that by turning slightly left over the runway and during the climb. Unfortunately, on that run my airspeed hit 110 kt (heaven forbid). On all other attempts I was flying too straight or too low or whatever. What an aggravating stupid test.

I'm giving myself an A+ for effort, and for about 20 flawless approaches to Tacoma Intl.

Oh and Microsoft, if you want me to abort a landing at 840 feet, then don't put the cloud ceiling at 1000+ with a perfectly fine runway below. If I add some flaps and ignore that bitch telling me to speed up, then it's a piece of cake landing.

Wahoo Guest

Here is a way I found on www.rodmachado.com to fly this checkride. After you cross PARKK and the instructor says "turn left to a heading of 160..." you must reset your OBS so that the TO flag shows (set it to 159 for example) BEFORE she says "fly direct to SEA" and then do NOT reset your OBS until the OBS switches to FROM when you cross the VOR.

The reason is that the program starts a timer for entering the holding pattern based on the OBS showing FROM, it starts checking right when she says "fly direct to SEA" so your OBS cannot ever show FROM from the time she says "fly direct to SEA" to the time you pass the VOR or else the timer starts ticking and most likely you fail because you ran out of time (you have 5 min from the time the OBS shows FROM) NOT because you "did not enter the holding pattern correctly."

Based on the above, the reason one post was able to pass the check ride by using a parallel entry was by turning parallel before the OBS flag switched off [progam thinks that you are passing the VOR to enter the first procedure turn] (by turning when DME was 0.4nm and then miraculously intercepted the 320 course (140 radial) and crossing the VOR before the 5 min expired.

Another previous post fixes this by programming into the software an automatic OBS change to 159 degrees (which then switches the OBS to TO before the program starts checking) - which will also work. But I prefer to have us pilots do it!

Good Luck

shamrock565 Guest

Holy shit i thought it was just me now i realise this is seriously complicated i have been trying to do this for 3 days but im not going to give up im going to try everything said here but wow is it fustrating.

Pro Member First Officer
Jason (Av8r77) First Officer

It's a checkride.

Your instructor can tell you to go around at any point. Mine told me to go missed approach when we were 100 feet off the ground on short final.

I grumbled and was mad, but that's the beast of the checkride.

Of course, the missed approached had a holding pattern in it as well.

pilot-777 Guest

excuse ...

I want a complete explanation about this test from the first to the last

So that I can its passing

And a thank you

starshiptrooper Guest

OK, I'm using FS2002. Aside from that completely idiotic preflight briefing that tells you that you need the approach chart for runway 16 at SEA. (I can't begin to tell you how frustrated I was getting with THAT damned approach.) I finally decided to pause, set my radios and resume, that was when I heard the little... say to use RY 34L/R.... Anyway I follow the descent on the approach chart, execute the missed approach (I handle my altitude adjustments by leaving the plane trimmed to 110 knots and use throttle to adjust my angle of attack) climb to 2100, as soon as I hit the outer marker, I execute a standard rate turn and throttle to 100% until I'm steady on 170 degrees. My localizer is set to 140 and when the needle approaches center I enter the 140 holding pattern, no problems. I pass the VOR, wait 1 minute and turn left to 320, pass the VOR hold for 1 minute and come about on the 140. I usually pass within 1250 feet of the VOR station. (I set my NAV 2 localizer to 140-90 degrees (60 deg.) so I know exactly when I pass the VOR)
Anyway, when I get .6NM from the VOR on the 140 heading, she tells me I'm cleared to NOLLA, which I've set 362 in my NDB. As soon as I hit 320, she fails me. HELP ME PLEASE!

The Private Pilots exam was cake compared to this. I just CAN'T quit. (like most of us, it has to be perfect or I won't give up. What am I doing wrong????????? I used to think I was pretty good at this...)

Thanks

jbond Guest

how to fly direct to the nolla after holding on the 140 degree radio she tels me to fly direct to nolla and i don't know how to do it so someone pleaase help me

rolle Guest

I have just passed the test a couple of times and here are my notes on how to make it.
Most of the criteria for passing are about precision flying and the recipe for that is practice, practice, practice.
There are though a number of other criteria one must meet that seems to be quite irrelevant in a real flying situations. Anywhy here it is:

Remember:
Starting: Set NAV1 to 116.8 OBS1 339, NAV2 to 109.6 OBS2 65, ADF 224
At FACTS: Use McCHORD VOR on NAV2 at OBS 65 to detect crossing
Descend at 700 ft/min
Set OBS2 to 25
At MILLT: Use McCHORD VOR at OBS 25 to detect crossing
Descend at 700 ft/min
Set ADF to DONDO 224
At Dondo: Use DONDO to detect crossing
Descend at 500 ft/min
At SEA: Be careful to stay on OBS and compass 338 when crossing
to catch the OBS fast enough going out
When crossing PARKK: Turn left to 120 and start climbing to 3000 at 500 ft/mi
Set OBS1 to 159
Intercept radial 159
Crossing SEA: Teardrop
Standard left turn to 110
Set OBS1 to 320
Stay on 110 1 minute
Standard right turn to intercept 320
Holding pattern: Start turn at VOR at 0.4 NM going to
Standard turn is considered to have ended when roll less than 4, don't sway

To NOLLA: Turn to 326 and start descend to 2200 at 700 ft/min
Set NAV1 to ILS 110.9 and OBS1 to 130 (OBS has no effect for ILS in real life)
Set NAV2 to 116.8 and OBS2 to 326 as support
Set ADF to NOLLA 362
Fly to NOLLA but keep direction within 326 +- 10
At NOLLA Turn to 265 without delay after passing NOLLA according to ADF
Fly 1 min after finishing turn and flying straight and level (roll < 4)
Standard right turn to 85.
Standard turns should be entered and exited in a couple of seconds.
Intercept the ILS as soon as the needle starts to move
Start descend at 500 ft/min as soon as you are on ILS.
Land.
Good luck

Guest Guest

I am super glad to see that someone has actually passed this test. It is a piece of work in FS2004 -- really. I would seem that there are other versions of it in previous FS runs and I assume that all the relevant information is in these early descriptions. For if one examines the charts and is a green horn like myself one would guess that the holding pattern is not at the SEA VOR but at the PARKK NDB! I set up the course for my flights and tried it and it worked but of course the actual test is nothing like that.

AS for the examiner she is something else: but I keep wondering whether I would like to hear from a man or a woman, say Arnold Swarzenegger "I'm terminating your test" or Michael Douglas "you're wasting my time and your money" or even Kim Bassinger, " .... dream on, and by the way when you fail the test we throw you out of the plane"
But no this one is the right one. She's perfect. That voice sounds like she is used to being choked and has a parachute under her seat, just in case. She's really OK on the private test even says "great job" just like Machado.

Well now I know its possible I'll continue. I had concidered fudging it with a programming fix: start: -> go to end -> give certificate and highest praise.

Thanks to those aces who went before!

Poowyll

Guest

Valen wrote:

There certainly would be more elegant ways to modify the script, but this solution will work just fine. You'll have 5 minutes after crossing SEA VOR to enter the holding pattern any way you please. Just hold 3000ft and 100 knots. As a final tip, begin your first standard-rate turn as soon as OBS1 switches away from "To" when entering the holding pattern, else you'll get a message very quickly to bank 20 degrees, and can't pass the checkride anymore.

Is it just me, or don't you have to fly heading 341 thru out the
approach and departure to/from SEA to actually hit the intersections correctly?

Smile Question

H5094AA Guest

There seems to be a fair amount of leeway when it comes to getting through the hold at the SEA VOR. After a few failed attempts, I found that after you turn to 160 at PARKK, set OBS to 140 and cross the VOR on that radial. Continue for a minute and do a fairly steep turn, re set the OBS to 320 and return towards the VOR very close to your outbound course. You should get cleared to NOLLA as you cross the VOR. Don't immediately set your radio to the Boeing ILS after leaving SEA. You need to leave it on the SEA and track at 323 to line up with NOLLA. After the outer marker light indicates you've arrived there, turn left to 310 and descend to 2200 if you haven't already. This is when you can pause and reset radio to the Boeing ILS. Watch the DME and don't start your procedure turn until you are 10 nm out, else you will fail. Following the ILS in is probably the least stressful part of the ride, but remember, if you screw up here, you've wasted the better part of the last hour.

kyon Guest

How do I set the OBS to "exactly" 339, or 338, for the inbound?

Don Wood Guest

RE the OBS question, the answer may not be the same for all aircraft in FS9 but, in the C-172, set the OBS to the nearest ten degree bar (the large line), then make quick individual mouse clicks on the OBS selector for each degree of change from that bar.

RE the general question, I haven't taken this check ride in FS9 however, one of the key criteria for passing a real IFR flight check is precise control. The tolerance for errors in heading, speed, altitude, and technique are very low. I would guess that, without a real person there to explain the problem, FS9 pilots could easily exceed these limits and not even realize it.

I am a strong believer that a pilot with only a private license and little disciplined flight experience beyond that license is not ready for the instrument course. Flying instruments well requires precise control and that comes only with experience and training. I took my commercial license training and had over 300 flight hours before I started my instrument training and that really helped.

I can tell that the Instrument check ride in FS9 is very frustrating from all the comments, however, until you have the necessary competence, it is difficult and frustrating in the real world also.

MarcInTheSky Guest

Don Wood wrote:

I can tell that the Instrument check ride in FS9 is very frustrating from all the comments, however, until you have the necessary competence, it is difficult and frustrating in the real world also.

Unless you're a gamer, the primary usefulness of FS is to learn the material (IM0). When I pass the instrument written (I am already signed off), I will begin the flight phase prior to checkride. FS has been incredibly helpful. I wish I had known about it when I was getting my PPL. It would have saved me a lot of irritation. I don't intend to start any of my subsequent training until passing a virtual checkride. Why waste time? Most schools are going to stick you in a simulator... (prob. not FS9). That said, the FS9 checkride is probably unnecessily difficult in some ways.

Pro Member Chief Captain
CRJCapt Chief Captain

This is for MSFS 2004 but may help with MSFS 2002.

https://forum.flyawaysimulation.com/forum/topic/11303/need-help-on-instrument-checkride/

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The problem with MSFS2002 is that the reasons for failing the Instrument Ride are not clearly labelled...

I've been flying the Instrument Ride a lot of times, and it was literally only this morning that I realised the instruction was "Hold on the 140 Degree radial" - of course that last word is the most important because it meant I'd been trying to fly my holding pattern backwards.

But in FS 2002, all that kept happening to me was I'd make my entry to the holding pattern, enter my standard rate right turn and as I was rolling out onto my outbound leg I just got a little message box "You have failed this rating checkride" - click ok and I'm at the menu again.

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MilanNN Trainee

I have the same problem.

tony chantre Guest

Very Happy successfully accomplished instrument checkride!

resolved holding problem by 'pausing' after "turn to 160, climb and maintain 3000" and setting obs to 150.(this was applying a recommendation I read in your Forum)

However, the same article stated " after passing Nola wait untill 10 dme to commence procedure turn." I failed the ride AFTER landing: examiner said "improper procedure turn."
After reading another article stating," commence turn to 265 immediately passing nola(ADF swing) and maintain straight and level(<4 degree roll corrections)" I successfully passed the ride.

Wink good luck!

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