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Wallet Guest

Hi guys

I thought this would be a good place to ask my question regarding Licences.

I currently hold a 'real-life' ATPL, but wish to convert to a virtual one - how many hours do I need to log to convert? Is there a good virtual training organisation I can contact?

Also, can I log hours from other simulations and/or my 'real' log book towards my qualification?

Please help me as it is my lifelong ambition to fly virtual aircraft and experience the rush and excitement of virtual air transport

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CRJCapt Chief Captain

Wallet wrote:

Hi guys
I thought this would be a good place to ask my question regarding Licences. I currently hold a 'real-life' ATPL, but wish to convert to a virtual one - how many hours do I need to log to convert? Is there a good virtual training organisation I can contact? Also, can I log hours from other simulations and/or my 'real' log book towards my qualification? Please help me as it is my lifelong ambition to fly virtual aircraft and experience the rush and excitement of virtual air transport

There are no virtual licenses. You can take the Flight simulator check rides but they don't mean anything. Virtual Airlines(VA) may have different levels of certificates but that is just within that airline, has nothing to do with your real certificate or other VA's. Each VA has it's own training requirements, many require nothing more than desire. General hours in Flight Simulator don't matter either. No conversion or credit for real flight hours. Not sure if hours flown with one VA can be used with another VA.

Real hours flown have nothing to do with Flight Simulator.

wallet Guest

Thanks for the info.

From your obviously extensive virtual experience, how much more involved would you say flying a virtual airliner is than what I encounter in my daily life on a real 747-400? Do you think it would take a long time for me to adjust?

Also, how long did it take you to 'advance through the ranks' to be Chief Captain?

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CRJCapt Chief Captain

wallet wrote:

Thanks for the info.
From your obviously extensive virtual experience, how much more involved would you say flying a virtual airliner is than what I encounter in my daily life on a real 747-400? Do you think it would take a long time for me to adjust?
Also, how long did it take you to 'advance through the ranks' to be Chief Captain?

There are some misconceptions here.
Flying a aircraft in flight simulator and flying with a Virtual Airlines(VA) is two different things. This forum has nothing to do with any particular VA. You can discuss any VA you want but Flyaway is not a VA, don't let the ranks fool you.

Flying an airliner, on your own, is nice but can't compare to the real thing. The default aircraft are missing FMC/FMS units, ATC is only a rough approximation of real ATC. Flying on the computer should be an easy transition if you're a real pilot. I would suggest the CH Yoke, throttle Quadrant and Rudder pedals. You can download better aircraft and you can buy some impressive programs( http://www.precisionmanuals.com/ ) that will make flying as close to the real thing that you can get.

Flying an airliner for a VA is different. The requirements, routes, ranks(if they have them) are all different based on the VA in question. There must be hundreds of VA's. I've never flown for a VA.

The rank by our names is for this forum only and has nothing to do with a virtual airlines or even flying(real or simulated). The rank is only based on how many posts you make. I'm a Chief Captain because I've made over 1,000 post. Anyone that makes that number is the same rank, even if they have never flown flight simulator. You have to be a paid member to get a rank insignia.

Guest Ed Guest

Wallet wrote:

Hi guys

Please help me as it is my lifelong ambition to fly virtual aircraft and experience the rush and excitement of virtual air transport

Wait a minute-- you're a real-life 747 pilot, but your lifelong ambition is to fly virtual air transport? Am I the only one here who finds that a little strange? Nothing wrong with it, I suppose, but are you serious? There are probably a few thousand members here at FlyAway with the opposite ambition. . . Wink

Ed

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nottobe Captain

well, I am the real world space shuttle astronaut, I have a lifelong ambition to fly a virtual Cessna 172, can someone show me how to be qualified to fly MS Cessna 172?

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ARD-DC Captain

You need to present your (signed & stamped) space-shuttle flight logs, and ofcourse your licence.

Your log should prove that you have
- a minimum of 1000 hours flown in a space shuttle of which
- a minimum of 25% night time
- a minimum of 40% instrument flight

Only then can you only be considered for admission to virtual-cessna-flying-ground school Twisted Evil

hmmm me thinks it's bedtime for me.
nightnight all Smile

Guest Ed Guest

ARC-DC,

Well, the 25% night time flying should be easy-- I think space shuttle pilots usually end up with about 50% day flying, and 50% night flying. . . it sort of goes with the route. . . Laughing

Ed

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Odyssey First Officer

Laughing Laughing

wallet Guest

If you guys are all so into flying, why don't you learn to fly properly?

It seems most of you are in the USA where flying is pretty cheap and the exams are simplified to make it easier for you, why are you sitting at home fiddling with your joysticks?

You could earn 'real-life' money instead of pretend money and actually fly........ in a real plane...... with real people.........

Just a thought

xxx

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Odyssey First Officer

Wow... I never thought of that. That's amazing.
No wait, I did think of that and thought to myself I don't have the REAL money or the REAL time to do it. Obviously you are a real pilot and congratulations for doing so but I feel you have no right to come here and criticise others for their hobbies all because you do it in the REAL world.

wallet Guest

Obviously you DO have far too much time or you wouldn't spend it playing pretend pilot.................

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antone First Officer

In breach of my usual "Do not feed the trolls" policy - who the hell finds it cheap to learn to fly?

I play Sim City too. Should I get off my ass and become a real city planner? Back in the days when I played Civilisation - I suppose I should have stopped messing around and worked towards becoming the true despotic leader of a small South American nation?

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CRJCapt Chief Captain

wallet wrote:

If you guys are all so into flying, why don't you learn to fly properly?
It seems most of you are in the USA where flying is pretty cheap and the exams are simplified to make it easier for you, why are you sitting at home fiddling with your joysticks?
You could earn 'real-life' money instead of pretend money and actually fly........ in a real plane...... with real people.........
Just a thought
xxx

Here's my thought about you,
You come here acting like you were interested in Flight Simulator and I tried to help you. We "fiddle with our joy sticks" as a hobby because it's fun and interesting. Some of us do fly in the real world and make real money. We even carry a Censored like you to your Grandma's house to visit. Why are you here if you think it's a waste of time? You can fly real aircraft and still enjoy flight simulation, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Why don't you go and fly your 747 Rolling Eyes in whatever country you're in and quit crying about how cheap it is to fly in the US and how easy you think it is. You don't know anything about US pilot exams, you wish you lived in the US. If your country is too expensive for you or has stupid exams, then maybe you should move or contact your government. So if you think so little of us, don't ask for information or help. You're a 747 pilot Rolling Eyes so you don't need any help. We have real pilots and simulator pilots here who do fly properly! Evil or Very Mad People like you upset me and thats hard to do. You're lucky I'm not a moderator.

PS Learn to post properly, you don't need to change the subject line when replying to a post. Just info for the next forum, no need to reply. You can leave now to fly your 747 Rolling Eyes in the real world.

CRJ, OUT.

wallet Guest

I am more than happy NOT living in the United States of Arseholes thankyou very much..... And I know a great deal about your pilot exams, particularly your idiot's guide to getting an ATPL. (Ever wondered why so many US pilots crash in moronic incidents? Something to do with a single 2 hour exam against the JAR 7 month, 14 exam course in being a proficient pilot?)

And my Granny is dead, killed on the flight that hit the bridge in DC a few years back..... The cause? Florida pilot didn't realise he should de-ice in a snowstorm, then made an S.I.D. turn with the stall warner going off all the way and didn't even think to use full power...... DUH!!!!

Maybe he should have got a job with a VA and then he would have only 'virtually' killed lots of people.......

See You Next Tuesday (if that's not too subtle for you...)

xxx Laughing Laughing

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to_coolguys First Officer

wallet wrote:

? Florida pilot didn't realise he should de-ice in a snowstorm, then made an S.I.D. turn with the stall warner going off all the way and didn't even think to use full power...... DUH!!!!

See You Next Tuesday (if that's not too subtle for you...)

xxx Laughing Laughing

Dear Wallet,

Well I do not reside in United States..But i still would like to make a comment on this..Well at every flying school you are taught these basics..
But how well you react to these situations is a personal issue ..By personal I mean the practise that you put into and your state of mind at that point and an individual brain and mind. And has nothing to do with your country or flying school...So please stop the country propaganda..
Well if that's the case then you are making me believe that a JAR passed pilot has never ever crashed a plane or has not committed a silly mistake...Now that's like saying "can you ever tell me of a person who has not died in this world?"....I would suggest you to stay concentrated on your original post and try to get the utmost of the members out over here.It was you who started this annoyance and finger pointing...I stay in India and it is not affordable for me to become a real world pilot..It is damn expensive and a middle class person cannot afford one..I like to enjoy my passion by flying the aircrafts in Flight simulator as well as studying the books requried for passing a real world CPL exams of DGCA...to remind you there are real world pilots in this forum from many countries i suppose and none of them have reacted in the manner that you have...If you think that people are not flying properly or are not having proper flying techniques then it is you ,as a real world pilot, that we expect to correct us and help us out with some of your knowledge.best wishes .I think i have made my point and many including you would agree with this..I therefore request you to humble down your tone...

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ARD-DC Captain

Guest Ed wrote:

ARC-DC,

Well, the 25% night time flying should be easy-- I think space shuttle pilots usually end up with about 50% day flying, and 50% night flying. . . it sort of goes with the route. . . Laughing

Ed

Hmmmm.... Think

Got me there, smarty Wink

Think I'm not going to post anymore at times I should be in bed Laughing

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nottobe Captain

we call $7000 for PPL hardearned money. That mean it's hard for most of the Americans to spend 7000 bucks for a pilot license. I dont know where this guy is from, obviously he is from a country much much wealthier than the US, they fly aircraft like the cars we drive. He flies a 747-400 like a bus driver driving a tour bus in the US.
OK, now I have to get back to work, piloting my space shuttle back to the earth so I can earn my paycheck for that 7000 bucks..... Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Odyssey First Officer

Nottobe said

we call $7000 for PPL hardearned money. That mean it's hard for most of the Americans to spend 7000 bucks for a pilot license. I dont know where this guy is from, obviously he is from a country much much wealthier than the US, they fly aircraft like the cars we drive. He flies a 747-400 like a bus driver driving a tour bus in the US.

Firstly, the guys nickname is 'wallet' so you can assume that he is referring to an aspect in his life of which he is particulary proud. Secondly, Wallet, maybe you should take a look in the civility sticky at the top of page and maybe grow up a bit and stop be a condescending idiot.
I do sincerely apologise for the continuation of this argument which is based on a point made by a complete buffoon anyway.

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Welshflyer Chief Captain

This site is a multi-cultural meeting place where people from all over the World pose and answer all things relating to flight sim in a friendly manner. For a "guest" to post in such an offending manner against "ANY" member , guest or for god sake a whole nation, i find appalling! I am truely sorry for his family loss in such a way, but here is hardly the place to point blame for it!

Madbrit Guest

Sorry about that. Hit submit before preview and couldn't edit the message.

To finish,

Guys, we just got rid of one Richard (can't post the short form of the name 'cos of the censor). Don't let another lonely troll put us back on that dead-end route.

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Welshflyer Chief Captain

Madbrit wrote:

Sorry about that. Hit submit before preview and couldn't edit the message.

To finish,

Guys, we just got rid of one Richard (can't post the short form of the name 'cos of the censor). Don't let another lonely troll put us back on that dead-end route.

Agreed! I've said what i wanted to say and that's it.

wallet Guest

to_coolguys

it's not that you're not flying properly....... you're not flying. In fact you're not doing anything really, just using electricity and ruining your eyesight.

my countries' wealth or lack of it has nothing to do with my licence - they didn't pay for it, just like they wouldn't buy me a toy yoke and throttles - I simply thought it a much better idea to spend the money on actually flying than buying up soon to be outdated plastic boxes and getting my keyboard all sticky.

nottobe,

$7000 dollars is about 10 rupees in the real world isn't it? Good luck with the shuttle, I didn't realise the pay was so bad........

Considering the price of a car, which would you rather have? Oh so you don't love flying that much then?

By the way, does anyone want to trade spotters photos?

wallet Guest

by the way, my country is richer only in culture, intelligence and sense of humopur.............

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to_coolguys First Officer

wallet wrote:

to_coolguys

it's not that you're not flying properly....... you're not flying. In fact you're not doing anything really, just using electricity and ruining your eyesight.

my countries' wealth or lack of it has nothing to do with my licence - they didn't pay for it, just like they wouldn't buy me a toy yoke and throttles - I simply thought it a much better idea to spend the money on actually flying than buying up soon to be outdated plastic boxes and getting my keyboard all sticky.

Well in real life I may not be flying..but in flight simulator yes....why are you trying to compare two different things?Second this is a forum about flight simulator and not real flying...Just discussion about applying real life techniques to flight sim flying...Well regarding the electricity ,I just need to spend Rs 100 extra as opposed to learning Real flying which costs me Rs 40,00,000..So it is 40000 times greater ...So which is better????
Going for Flying training for a middle class boy like me is like committing a financial suicide...
Neither can I afford a full motion simulator which you must also have practised on...Did you yell at your Flight instructor or criticize him for making you fly a simulator than to send you into flying the real B-747....Next time you get type-rated on a different jet try asking your airline or your flight instructor to use a real aircraft than to teach you on simulator first...They would consider you crazy .just as you are doing now..Well desktop is just a lower end of Full motion simulator and is useful to general public who would want to fulfill their hobby...I would still request to stay concentrated on your original post of virtual airlines..If you do not understand this humble request then it is time for you and your airline to reconsider your job as a pilot as it would be a hazard to many lives on board...

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nottobe Captain

In my case, I simply don't have that $7000, I cannot afford that money to fly a real aircraft...end of story... period!!!!

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antone First Officer

wallet wrote:

by the way, my country is richer only in culture, intelligence and sense of humopur.............

Yeah, intentionally piss people off and then berate them for not finding it funny. Good stuff. Oh, and I'm not American - I just live here.

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nottobe Captain

antone wrote:

wallet wrote:

by the way, my country is richer only in culture, intelligence and sense of humopur.............

Yeah, intentionally piss people off and then berate them for not finding it funny. Good stuff. Oh, and I'm not American - I just live here.

thats called cultural piss-off, haha Laughing Laughing Laughing

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kieranja First Officer

first i dont belive you a real pilot at all. i think you should take a pic of you in the cokpit holding days paper in you hand as proof its you.

any 1 agree?

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nottobe Captain

a B747-400 pilot cherishes a life long ambition to acquire MSFS virtual pilot license....... even my 3 year old can't believe that...haha laughed my arss off... haha Laughing Laughing Laughing

DANtheVENERABLEdc3DAKOTA Guest

Allow me to introduce myself. As the name suggests I fly a venerable 1941 DC3 Dakota, jungle bashing in South America. Mostly working for the government seeking the Cocaine hot spots in the Columbian jungle.
I had to give real flying up and until recently I viewed Flight Sim as a bit of a waste of time, and electricity. Until I found out that you could go that little bit extra and aquire add-on's,
I have the most fun now, as I have added on ATC, Real life airports and Build my own roster programme's. Even though I am sat at my PC playing sim talking to myself all on my own, I can actually pretend that Im really talking to ATC.
Although I enjoy it, my friends havent called in months. .

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to_coolguys First Officer

DANtheVENERABLEdc3DAKOTA wrote:

Allow me to introduce myself. As the name suggests I fly a venerable 1941 DC3 Dakota, jungle bashing in South America. Mostly working for the government seeking the Cocaine hot spots in the Columbian jungle.
I had to give real flying up and until recently I viewed Flight Sim as a bit of a waste of time, and electricity. Until I found out that you could go that little bit extra and aquire add-on's,
I have the most fun now, as I have added on ATC, Real life airports and Build my own roster programme's. Even though I am sat at my PC playing sim talking to myself all on my own, I can actually pretend that Im really talking to ATC.
Although I enjoy it, my friends havent called in months. .

Yeah i agree with your point of view..Myself and I guess most flyaway simmers would agree that real pilots do find the desktop flight sims a bit annoying because of its cons.But believe me with the available low end resource this the best thing a budding pilot or aviation buff can have and know about flight theory and get a hang of it.And purchasing good addons from reputed developers like PMDG,Radar Contact just increases the realism..If you want to take it one step futher you can still do it.Start building real world specs home made cockpits...You would feel you are flying a good simulator...And it is as real as it gets..Just limited by our creativity.....

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pilatflyr First Officer

yeah, i fly online a lot. vatsim is always nice, but the hard thing is that you need a bunch of software and what not in order to go along with all of this stuff

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Karlw Chief Captain

wallet honestley do you think anyone cares about you being a 744 pilot and about americans lacking intelligance HOW DARE YOU!!! YOU LACK INTELLIGANCE IF YOU SAY THAT may I reccomed you stay away FOREVER AND NEVER COME BACK!!! go gloat to people who like to gloat like you!!! AGAIN HOW DARE YOU SAY AMERICANS SIMPLIFY TEST HOW DARE YOU YOU KNOW WHAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE MAKES AN ERROR DOES NOT MAKE THEM A COMPLETE IDIOT HOWEVER SOMEONE THT NEVER MAKES MISTAKES IS A COMPLETE IDIOT do you relize that if its possible you should be banned Censored Censored CensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensoredCensored Hit with Chair No, No! Hit with Chair Mad Evil or Very Mad Wall Bashing how dare you go somewhere lese go away!!! you have STRESSED EVERYONE OUT WOW UNBELIVABLE HOW MUCH YOU CAN INSALT SOMEONE YOU ARE YOU ARE SAYING AMERICANS ARE DUMB HAVE NO CONEPT OF WHAT HAPPENES IN A PLANE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW MY MOM AND DADS FREIND IS A CAPTAIN AND I SAID CAPTAIN OF THE BOEING 777 AND HE IS ALSO A PHARMASIST AND A REALISTATE BROKER AND GUESS WHAT HE IS AMERICAN GOSH GO AWAY YOU STRESSED EVERYONE OUT GO AWAY Exclamation Evil or Very Mad Hit with Chair Wall Bashing

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Karlw Chief Captain

Don't worry everyone I e-mailed flyaway with a link to this post

Guest

Karlw,

This is intended as friendly advice. Take it or leave it as you will.

It might be better if you are going to blast someone for ignorance that you don't give them more ammunition by putting together a poorly worded, uingrammatical and mis-spelled string of words accompanied by a mass of those stupid smilies.

You might achieve a better result by just typing IGNORED

Guest

Karlw,

This is intended as friendly advice. Take it or leave it as you will.

It might be better if you are going to blast someone for ignorance that you don't give them more ammunition by putting together a poorly worded, ungrammatical and mis-spelled string of words accompanied by a mass of those stupid smilies.

You might achieve a better result by just typing IGNORED

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mossy First Officer

Another reason that applys to some of the people here is that the reason we dont fly is because we are too young. I am 13, whether or not I had the money (which of course I don't,) do you I would be allowed to fly? That is why I play flight sim...to enjoy myself until I am old enough to really fly.

btw I agree with 'guest's' advice.

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RadarMan Chief Captain

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