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Crash at Heathrow today

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GoodisonBlue
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:55 pm 

http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30000-1301172,00.html

Sounds like the pilot was a bit of a hero keeping it airborne long enough to clear the carparks and a busy road

Possible complete engine failure?
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Cheeks
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:12 pm 

Yeah, I saw this on the news. Kudos to the pilot Group Wave Was the 777 the GE or RR powered ones Question
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VegasFlyer
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:41 am 

According to the pilots all the power went out and the gear just fell off the aircraft. That's weird! Shocked
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tiger7881
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:19 am 

WOW. Yup thats so wierd. Imagine bein a passanger in that plane Shocked Surprised
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Razgr1z912
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:23 am 

15 with minor injuries no deaths. I saw it on the news Razz All passengers, pilots, and staff got out by the emerg shoots.
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belgeode
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 am 

HOLY CRAP!!!!!

You all are gonna think me to be completely nuts... but I dreamed this exact same thing a couple nights ago! Only difference is I could not identify the airport or airline. but the same exact thing happened in my dream, and I saw it all. freaky huh?

I am glad they made it (relatively) safely. A 777, this could have gotten REAL BAD real quick!

Someone buy those pilots a drink, and up their pay.
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Cheeks
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:08 am 

belgeode wrote:
Someone buy those pilots a drink, and up their pay.


Yes, they well and truely deserve it Wink
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cheezyflier
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:15 pm 

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tiger7881
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:46 pm 

So whose falt was that? pilots of the boeing manufacture? I think boeing.
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CRJCapt
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:03 pm 

tiger7881 wrote:
So whose falt was that? pilots of the boeing manufacture? I think boeing.

Too early to even speculate. Strange that they lost power to both engines. I think there is more to this story. Here is a news article with more info.
Arrow http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/01/18/boeing.causes/
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cheezyflier
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:44 pm 

do you see where they talk about the a320 that had a bird strike at
6000 ft asl? what the heck is a song bird doing at 6000 ft? their aint nothin to eat that high! that's kinda strange.
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tiger7881
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:17 pm 

Solution >>>>>>>>>>>> Just wait for "Mayday" on TV and they will explain everything. I watch everyday. So interesting.
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belgeode
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:34 pm 

you see where they were talking about landing flaps too... I have experienced similar in FS9... but if that is the case that is pilot error... and even though everyone walked away from it... he'd be in deep doodoo.

Very curious accident indeed... at least it was not terrorists.
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HardLight
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:14 pm 

It had RR engines. Looks lilke there was no response when the autopilot requested power from the engines. I'd find it very suprising if it was a fault with the engines themselves as neither of them responded.

My guess is a fuel system issue.
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Cheeks
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:19 pm 

HardLight wrote:
It had RR engines. Looks lilke there was no response when the autopilot requested power from the engines. I'd find it very suprising if it was a fault with the engines themselves as neither of them responded.

My guess is a fuel system issue.


Ok cool, thanks for the info Cool
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belgeode
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:44 am 

Current speculation is they ran out of fuel.

According to one of the pilots on the USAir virtual site, British Airways is notorious for being stingy with gas.
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Welshflyer
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:59 am 

belgeode wrote:
Current speculation is they ran out of fuel.

According to one of the pilots on the USAir virtual site, British Airways is notorious for being stingy with gas.

I don't believe that for one minute, what about having enough fuel to divert to an alternate airport plus 40 minutes extra!
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Welshflyer
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:05 am 

VegasFlyer wrote:
According to the pilots all the power went out and the gear just fell off the aircraft. That's weird! Shocked

Hi VF i think you'll find the gear did'nt fall off but was torn off on the grass! It would be a major issue if the pilot lowered the gear and it fell off, and would bring many questions on the BA maintainance dept Shocked !
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Cheeks
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:04 am 

Pretty detailed report if you ask me Wink
Arrow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

Also
It is being reported that the 138-tonne aircraft is most likely to be a write off
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walesdragon
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:12 am 

cheezyflier wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RoqLEdk0tkc



Rofl, what does that have to do with this? o_O

Also, Three cheers to the pilots and crew. Apparently they were very professional in this situation.
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Oberkomando
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:43 am 

Unfortunately situation. Feel bad. Sad
But no one killed? Shocked hope not. Confused
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Bartfs
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:14 pm 

I heard that ALL systems had failed.. Shocked
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antone
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:06 am 

Well, here's the BBC on the subject:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7208126.stm

I think it seems clear that the a/c had not run out of fuel, and the whole idea that BA is "stingy with gas" is a nonstarter. That just isn't how things work - there are rules about how much fuel a plane must carry. The captain can demand more fuel, but not less than regulatory requirements.

I like the idea of the "gear falling off", though. Can you imagine the scene in the cockpit:

PF: Gear down.
PNF: Gear down....Three green. Oh damn, the gear fell off again! I really do need to have a word with Bob in Maintenance about that! Third time this week![/i]
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belgeode
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:20 pm 

still a curious thing... fuel system failure or fuel heater failure sounds logical.
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warlord40
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:56 pm 

belgeode wrote:
HOLY CRAP!!!!!

You all are gonna think me to be completely nuts... but I dreamed this exact same thing a couple nights ago! Only difference is I could not identify the airport or airline. but the same exact thing happened in my dream, and I saw it all. freaky huh?

I am glad they made it (relatively) safely. A 777, this could have gotten REAL BAD real quick!

Someone buy those pilots a drink, and up their pay.


You havent seen the movie "final destination" by any chance?
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belgeode
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:19 pm 

No i have not.. how is it?
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warlord40
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:14 pm 

Rent it out if you can - but basicaly, the main actor has a preminition of getting on a 747 with class mates, taking off and then exploding (with a great amount of detail) then he wakes up, the plane has not taken off yet, so he gets off with a bunch of friends who some of which dont believe him, then looking out the airport window they all see the plane explode infront of them, and for the rest of the movie "death" is out to claim each of them in the order that they were to die in, in the aircraft.But really..see the movie! It'll make more sense.
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belgeode
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:22 pm 

Sounds interesting, I will check it out.
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warlord40
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:25 pm 

I know that they made a second movie and possibly a third i think. Let me know what you thought of it after you seen it
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GoodisonBlue
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:57 pm 

After the accident, Heathrow has decided to install new landing lights
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