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W3CPR First Officer

Can anyone tell me where the people get the information that design the aircraft for the flight simulators? Knowing a little bit about the various terms and values would be of great help when trying to troubleshoot an aircraft with some minor annoyances like pullng to the left on both takeoff and landing.

Thanks

George

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Tailhook Chief Captain

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Can anyone tell me where the people get the information that design the aircraft for the flight simulators? Knowing a little bit about the various terms and values would be of great help when trying to troubleshoot an aircraft with some minor annoyances like pullng to the left on both takeoff and landing.

Thanks

George

Hi George,
In an attempt to answer your first question: I think some don't do much research at all but do a lot of guessing instead, that's why we are facing these problems in the first place. Conscientious developers of which there are many however have their sources which are no secret but can be accessed by anyone who googles patiently. I can't give you any links because I've never ventured into this aspect of the sim.

Regarding the second part of your question I have two suggestion for now.
The first concerns David Malby's site: http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/ which I still sometimes consult for troubleshooting at least in times when I cannot remember basics. Have a look at his Notes on FS Aircraft Files ==>> http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/notes_on_fs_aircraft_files.htm
No doubt you're familiar with most of what you find there but as you scroll down the page I bet you'll discover something you'd never thought of.

My second suggestion is a file you can get from www.flightsim.com fsplaned.zip -- it is merely a PDF document, here's an excerpt from the intro:

This document came about because of the many times I've had to edit 3rd
party aircraft (freeware & payware) to get
them to perform the way I wanted, notably in terms of flight model dynamics & panels. Although the origins of all 3rd

party aircraft flight models lie in the MS defaults, developers change and sometimes miss things. This can result in the
aircraft exhibiting bad behaviours in things like loading into the sim, slewing, taxiing and flying. I'm also of the
opinion that following changes to hardware (e.g. motherboard, CPU, RAM & video card), some planes appear to
behave differently than they did before and require re-working. Fortunately, most of these bad behaviours are fixable
with a little knowledge, time and patience.

Note: This guide was written in 2003 i.e. prior to the birth of FS2004 hence the emphasis on FS2002. The author of course didn't know at the time that the structure of the aircraft.cfg and most everything else would be the same in FS2004. Though not having perused this guide in depth as I only just discovered it myself, everything I've seen so far appears to be just as pertinent to FS2004. As you read through the guide and start experimenting you'll see what I mean.

I just found another one which could be handy as a quick reference guide saving you having to wade through paragraph after paragraph when all you want to do is just jolt your memory and look up a single variable in the aircraft.cfg ==>> http://www.planesimulation.com/articles/fs2004faq.htm

I hope some of the above is useful. 😀

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W3CPR First Officer

Hi Tailhook... Many thanks for the excellent information and links. I am at the point where most of the situations I want to change such panels, installing aircraft, addon scenery are now second nature and I am beginning to really enjoy the flight simulator. It's those small nagging problems such as skewing on takeoff or landings and minor things that are giving me a problem but are serious enough to want to find out why. I believe you have given me that opportunity to perhaps find out much more than I thought was possible with your links and information and I am very grateful. I have solved almost all of the problem I have posted on the site and really appreciate the work that this site is doing to make our hobby much more enjoyable.

Many thanks for your kind help

George W3CPR

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W3CPR First Officer

Hi Tailhook... I looked at the links and still could not find anything concrete enough to solve the problem. However I did replaced most of the aircraft.cfg file for the 707-420 with the aircraft.cfg file from a P8. This corrected the pulling of the aircraft but caused some other problems which I expected. I did this to see if the problem was in the aircraft.cfg file and apparently it is, but where or which line of code is beyond me. I will try to narrow it down by process of elimination. This will be a good object lesson and one that I will probably remember.

Thanks again

George W3CPR

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W3CPR First Officer

Hi Tailhook... Well the problem was definitely in the aircraft.cfg file and it was the imbalance in the fuel tanks that was causing the problem. The
aircraft now runs down the runway right on the line and also lands the same way. Thanks for your assistance.

George W3CPR

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Happy to hear that you've managed to sort the problem George. I would have liked to know which aircraft / file / filename was concerned.

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W3CPR First Officer

Hi Tailhook... The aircraft in question was the Boeing 707-420. I had tried several of them but only two of them had a decent panel. The file I had used was b7074v22.zip for the entire aircraft and then I used the file
707panel.zip for the panel. The original panel for the aircraft was done beautifully, however it was most difficult to fly and had some bad quirks in it when it came time to climb bank and turn so I opted to use a different panel. The entire project worked out very well and the problem turned out to be mostly an imbalance in the fuel tanks. I am not sure where I downloaded the zip files from but I do know they still exist so merely do a search on the filename and you will find them. I would have liked to keep the original panel as it was beautifully done, however, it was not as accurate as the panel file I downloaded. This new panel file made it very easy to control the aircraft as it has one very nice feature, autothrottle control.

Best regards

George W3CPR

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Thanks for the heads up George. I was unable to find either file but that's all right as I've had my 707 adventures in the past and no doubt will have again in the future.

If it's all the same to you, you might want to activate the pop-window which alerts you to PMs (Private Messages) or at least check if you have new messages occasionally. In this business, or well, should I say the way my uncontrollable mind works, often a file or solution is dug up or chanced upon accidentally long after the original inquiry.
The forum topics themselves might not show a yellow flag if you don't log on for a while and some helpful information might just fall through the cracks.
I have tried to contact you via PM previously but after three months you still hadn't opened this "all important" correspondence so I deleted it, thinking you had quit the exciting world of flight simulation.

Anyway, if you could check on your PMs every now and then, correspondence regarding topics which other members aren't interested in could run smoothly.
I for one would like to know more about your carrier setup and the aircraft you're using for COPS.

Don't be a stranger now, some of us could learn a thing or two from you 🍻

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W3CPR First Officer

Hi Tailhook... Sorry about not getting your messages, I should have checked the forum more often. I will make it a point to check the forum at least once per day and make sure the pop-window is enabled. As for the 707 and the panel. The aircraft, 707-420 can be found on the Surclaro site merely by doing a search on the file 7074v22.zip. This will give you the original aircraft and all the niceties. The panel I used to replaced this one was from AVSIM with the file name 707panel.zip Both of these should be easy to find now that you know where they are as I just checked and they are both there. If you still have a problem I can send them to your email address as an attachment. It will be a cold day in you know what when I quit this exciting world of flight simulation. Right now I have a total of 180 different aircraft, 16 fully operational carriers and 13 planes with tailhooks. My total file for the flight simulator is currently at 11 Gbytes and when I click on the flight simulator it takes 1 minute and 30 seconds to load. Thanks for the heads up on the messages.

By the way, let me know what information you might like on the carriers and aircraft or whatever and I would be glad to let you know whatever information you would like.

George W3CPR

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Tailhook Chief Captain

George thanks for the Surclaro pointer; I'd looked everywhere except at Surclaro - typical 😀
I did see the panel at avsim but for some reason didn't think that was the one. Incidentally, there is another one (same filename at flightsim though it's for FS2000).

...and when I click on the flight simulator it takes 1 minute and 30 seconds to load.

Hahaha... those of us who like variety seem to be cursed. Recently I did a new install of fs9... prior to that it'd take me between 4-5 minutes to load the sim Wall Bashing

I'm becoming more and more wary as to what to install these days... my present fs9 install (already several weeks old) is as bare as the sandy desert around Isfahan: One freeware Vietnam scenery because I know I can uninstall it manually without sending the OS into a spin, one freeware Heli and a POSKY tube for the same reasons - plus the Wilco 737 because it's never developed a mind of its own in the past. That's all.

My intention this time is to get my environmental scenery add-ons right, next will be the carriers and all the a/c with hook (I dread the task of equipping the majority of those with the CAT switch), next will be the Choppers and a few fixed wings I feel I can't live without and finally I'll choose which airport sceneries I'll allow to mess with my FPS.

Thanks for the offer re the carriers and carrier a/c - be sure I'll get back to you on that sooner or later - we'll be able to compare notes as I too have quite a collection 😀

BTW, in case this is still a mystery for you, using the PM option (which of course I only suggest for topics of a specialised nature which the majority of simmers find boring) - eliminates the use for sending files via e-mail. The easiest way is to upload files to a file sharing host such as ==>> http://www.sendspace.com/ and after the upload is completed, simply add the (URL) Link to your message. Easy.

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