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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

Have started a new thread for this as didn't want it stuck down on page 3 of original post -
https://forum.flyawaysimulation.com/forum/topic/9451/717-200/

This is a tribute to Tom The Tank for finding this a/c and to Radarman for finding several other a/c and to both, who in their own way give so much help to others.

Taking off from Edinburgh

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The repaint isn't finished yet - got some more candy to put on.



Last edited by Dave Copeland (davec) on Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:04 am, edited 3 times in total
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RadarMan Chief Captain

Thank you davec, you did a beautiful job as usual. I'm flattered that you'd add my "name" to such a super-jet.
Thank you!

Radar

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tomthetank Chief Captain

😀 I just knew that you would give in to that itching painter hand 😀
but did not expect this Surprised WOW

Looks great 👍 and cant wait for th d/load

Thanks Dave 😉

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lkw First Officer

Nice job davec I am also honored that you included my sig on your plane of honor. 😀 I admire your painting skills. Group Wave

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John Hodges (originalgrunge) Captain

That's very cute DaveC!

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Beautiful paintjob DaveC 👍

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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

originalgrunge wrote:

That's very cute DaveC!

CUTE!!!! I do bad, mediocre, indifferent, rubbish and even occasionally, good - but CUTE - I don't do 🙄

Cute probably has a different association in Scotland than in USA so I shall forgive you this time - as they say -"USA and UK - separated by a common language!!!" 😂 😂
🍻

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hinch Chief Captain

have you actually made that? because in the images none of the text actually curves around, it looks like you've put it on another pic.

i probably didn;t read something...

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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

hinch wrote:

have you actually made that? because in the images none of the text actually curves around, it looks like you've put it on another pic.

i probably didn;t read something...

Not quite sure what you are getting at - repainters are at the mercy of the a/c designer - if the a/c skin has curves on it then the repainted items will have the curves also - repainters have to be careful when painting curves on the skin, particular with text - as curves distort text, particularly so, when near the top of the fuselage where 'bleeding' will take place. Your comment about it being painted on top of another pic shows a certain lack of knowledge of repainting and could be taken as a gross insult by any painter - just as well that I'm an easy going bloke 😂
To fully explain the anomalies of aircraft skins would take more time than I have at the moment - suggest you go to the Posky site and read the information there.

hinchypoo Guest

as you know - i can skin planes :p however, a planes fuselage is cylindrical yeh? and the text on that plane does not curve around this cylindrical shape; see what i mean? it's just straight :S

take where it says 'tomthetank' for example, it should curve around due to the round surface...but it doesn't, in the image it appears completely straight.

i'm just confused by it, i'm not trying to insult anyone.

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Greekman72 Chief Captain

Great repaint Mr Dave C.
I like that you have put our great moderators in the cockpit and especially TTT as captain and the experienced RadarMan as Co-Pilot.(And i prefer TTT for a jet from having a taildragger fun in the left side... 😉 😂 :wink🙂

I dont want to hide that your jobs are always emotional for me my friend.

Thank you 👍

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Manuel Agustin Clausse (Agus0404) Chief Captain

That's a lovely and colorfull repaint! ❤️

Nicely done, DaveC! 👍

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lkw First Officer

I think I have found a terrible omission on your paint job. It is my opinion that DaveC should deserve a place on the plane of honor. I don't know if it is humility or what the reason for the ommission. You could look at as an artist should sign his work. Tailhook this may call for a poll of the comunity to encourage DaveC. 😀

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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

hinchypoo wrote:

as you know - i can skin planes :p however, a planes fuselage is cylindrical yeh? and the text on that plane does not curve around this cylindrical shape; see what i mean? it's just straight :S

take where it says 'tomthetank' for example, it should curve around due to the round surface...but it doesn't, in the image it appears completely straight.

i'm just confused by it, i'm not trying to insult anyone.

"as you know - i can skin planes :p" - No I didn't know you could skin planes

"a planes fuselage is cylindrical yeh?" No, a plane fuselage is generally elliptical with flattening out along the sides. If you look closely there is a slight curve on the 'Tom The Tank' There are also slight curves on a few of the others where the skin is curved and of course it is difficult to visually establish perspective on a 2 dimensional surface (computer screen). I did say before that repainters try to avoid curved surfaces because of distortion, particularly with text.

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Tailhook Chief Captain

lkw wrote:

I think I have found a terrible omission on your paint job. It is my opinion that DaveC should deserve a place on the plane of honor. I don't know if it is humility or what the reason for the ommission. You could look at as an artist should sign his work. Tailhook this may call for a poll of the comunity to encourage DaveC. 😀

I totally agree with you Ikw - but lacking the linguistic skills required to conduct a poll (for some reason I always manage to choose the kind of wording that makes people think the opposite of what I mean) - I have to decline.
There are very accomplished pollsters on this board and I bet you one will come forward within the next few hours. 😀

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Greekman72 Chief Captain

Since English arent my first language i have a difficulty to understand for what and why we have to create a poll ❓ To encourage Mr.Dave C?I dont think that he needs encourage about something.He is doing a great job cause he likes it and we all very happy for this and we thank him from the deepest of our hearts.I think that this is enough for this great man...But a poll?why?

Please some explain to me cause i dont get in the meaning of this poll discussion.

Thanks and sorry for get you in trouble of giving explanations to a brick... Crying or Very sad 😉

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Tailhook Chief Captain

lkw wrote:

It is my opinion that DaveC should deserve a place on the plane of honor... ... You could look at as an artist should sign his work. Tailhook this may call for a poll of the comunity to encourage DaveC. 😀

Okay, what are friends for. My friend Brickman... err.. sorry - Greekman, Ikw suggested the poll to persuade DaveC to sign his work of art - in this case including his own name on the a/c he so beautifully painted.
In other words Ikw was complimenting DaveC on his great repaint but can't understand why DaveC would adorn the aircraft with the names of so many members but not include his own 🤔
This type of poll would offer two options: Yes or No. If the majority voted 'Yes', that means the community has decided that DaveC should be encouraged to add his own name to the fuselage of the aircraft. Geek

This, my friend, is one way of looking at it. On closer inspection however, I suspect a hidden "tongue-in-cheek" meaning in Ikw's request. I could be wrong - but if I'm right then you'll have to read this whole thread https://forum.flyawaysimulation.com/forum/topic/9451/717-200/ - to discover the hidden meaning!! 😳
And now you wish you hadn't asked, right?? ROFL

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Greekman72 Chief Captain

Ok that was that i have undersatnd but i wasnt so sure Embarassed ...And i make clear that i wasnt offended to dear IKW for his kind poll proposal.

But in my humble opinion i think that there is no need of poll.I think that results would be 100% YES.

Thanks a lot for you great explanations you gave me dear CaptainHook...Ehhhh...sorry dear Tailhook.. 😉 👍

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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

'Hidden meaning!!' 'tongue in cheek!!' This is getting all away above me - I'm just an ignorant painter and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - not a poll.

Give me a day or two and I'll put my name on that a/c - sorry I ever put a screenshot of it on the forum - all this correspondence is taking me away from my repainting!!!.

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Dave Copeland (davec) Captain

In response to popular demand, I theeenk - unless it was an effort at sarcasm - here it is

.... if someone was to make the comment "That's ridiculous!!!"
I would completely agree with them 😂 😂 😂

Now can I get back to my repainting? 🙄

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Greekman72 wrote:

...But in my humble opinion i think that there is no need of poll.I think that results would be 100% YES.

Thanks a lot for you great explanations you gave me dear CaptainHook...Ehhhh...sorry dear Tailhook.. 😉 👍

Greekman, this is what it's all about : Because like yourself everybody else would expect the poll to result in a 100% YES - I suspected that there was more to 'Ikw's' proposal than the obvious. I'm still thinking what I said before:

This, my friend, is one way of looking at it. On closer inspection however, I suspect a hidden "tongue-in-cheek" meaning in Ikw's request. I could be wrong - but if I'm right then you'll have to read this whole thread https://forum.flyawaysimulation.com/forum/topic/9451/717-200/ - to discover the hidden meaning!!

the reason for my thinking this way is contained here:

...Finally - to determine whether this thread should remain in the public domain or not - I can only see one solution...

Let's have a poll.....

and here :

...Could we have a poll to see if we should have polls????

Since 'Ikw' was the main participant in this thread, I thought he might be enjoying a play on words (tongue-in-cheek) when he suggested the 'poll' 😀

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Greekman72 Chief Captain

davec wrote:

In response to popular demand, I theeenk - unless it was an effort at sarcasm - here it is

.... if someone was to make the comment "That's ridiculous!!!"
I would completely agree with them 😂 😂 😂

Now can I get back to my repainting? 🙄

Thats the way(ahaha)i like it...

Seems much much better now Mr Dave C. 👍

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RadarMan Chief Captain

davec, An artist always signs his masterpiece, and you qualify!
Radar

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lkw First Officer

Thankyou DaveC did not mean to distract you but do appreciate your talent. Tailhook called it on the poll suggestion just trying to have a little fun. 😀

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lkw First Officer

Fuel cutoff swithes
Decided that it would be nice to have the cutoff switche on the main panel opperational. Pulled in a gauge and fashioned some switches to match the ones on the main panel. The panel.cfg file needs two new entries
gauge93=B717QDT!Fuel1, 1107,630,30,50 // add fuel1 cutoff switch
gauge94=B717QDT!Fuel2, 1171,630,30,50 // add fuel2 cutoff switch

you man need to change the gage number to be the next in sequence.
Have mad a cab file B717QDT.cab that contains the xml and bmp for the gagues. Have found that the demo version of FS Panel program is useful to itentify gauges and aid in positioning them. As it is only the demo version all adjustment need to be made outside of the program.

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Thanks Ikw!! 👍

The knee bends don't do much good btw. Wall Bashing

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lkw First Officer

Additional 717 Tweeks
Nav button change to Hdg
It almost seems like a standard to me anyway to have the autopilot heading labeled HDG and the VOR labeled NAV so I decided to make the change. Made two new bmp HDG_ON_But and HDG_OFF_But changing the NAV label on the main panel.
Made a NAV button on and off from the main.bmp and modified the xmls autopilot_HDG and autopilot Nav to reflect the bmp buttons all packed into 717.cab

It look like a text height mismatch on the IAS / MACH light altered the IAS bmp to make them the same. Named this IAS_NEW.bmp , modified IAS-Mach LIGHT.xml to accept the new bmp this also went into the 717.cab

Ran across a neat gauge pushback / autotaxi RCBgh-40.zip By Rob Barendregt I installed it as a window 05 going by the read me added the following lines to the panel.cfg
[Window Titles]
Window05=Groundhandling // Push back addon rcbhg-40
[Window00]
gauge95=rcb_groundhandling4!Icon_Pushback, 204,807,19,19 // push back addon rcbgh-40

The Gauges went to the gauge folder and the sounds went to the sound folder.

As you will notice the gauge95 is a icon for pushback I located it in line with the other gauges which had a black background making them appear more like a button so I tweeked the main.bmp to appear the same.

I will be uploading 717.cab panel.cfg and main.bmp you can find the pushback gauge on AVSIM search on RCBgh-40.zip
Link to the upload

http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=Tweeks+for+B717+session+2__2005-12-15_tweek+2.zip

If you decide you would rather not change the NAV and VOR buttons don't switch out the 717.cab the panel.cfg and main.bmp are for the instillation of the push back gauge.

Happy flying!! 😀

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lkw First Officer

Hot spots for the radio stack and TCAS
I thought the rectanuar area on the panels woud make a good hot spot
to togel the windows without havig to find the buttons above.
Just add a couple of gauges to panel.cfg

[window00]
gauge96=B717QDT!Radio_THS, 1164,1096,84,31 // add toggel for radio stack
gauge97=B717QDT!510_THS, 767,1096,84,31 // add toggel for TCAS display

[Window01]
gauge03=B717QDT!510_THS, 4,363,84,31 // add toggel for TCAS display

[Window02]
gauge04=B717QDT!Radio_THS, 4,363,84,31 // add toggel for radio stack

Gauge 510_THS for cab B717QDT

<Gauge Name="500_THS" Version="1.0">
<Image Name="Panel_Toggel_T.bmp" ImageSizes="84,31"/>
<Mouse>
<Help ID="HELPID_GAUGE_TOGGLE_RADIO_WINDOW"/>
<Cursor Type="Hand"/>
<Click>510 (&K😛ANEL_ID_TOGGLE)</Click>
</Mouse>
</Gauge>

Gauge Radio_THS for cab B717QDT

<Gauge Name="Radio_THS" Version="1.0">
<Image Name="Panel_Toggel_T.bmp" ImageSizes="84,31"/>
<Mouse>
<Help ID="HELPID_GAUGE_TOGGLE_RADIO_WINDOW"/>
<Cursor Type="Hand"/>
<Click>50 (&K😛ANEL_ID_TOGGLE)</Click>
</Mouse>
</Gauge>

create a bmp
Panel_Toggel_T.bmp for cab B717QDT

84 x 31 with a transparent background color 0,0,0

Happy flying 😀

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Tailhook Chief Captain

Keep going you genius... just wanted to mention in case you haven't done so already - have you looked at the other files by Rob Barendregt?
Avsim - name search etc.?
Thanks for your continuing labor!

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lkw First Officer

Tailhook wrote:

Keep going you genius... just wanted to mention in case you haven't done so already - have you looked at the other files by Rob Barendregt?
Avsim - name search etc.?
Thanks for your continuing labor!

Thanks for the prompt I had not checked out any of Rob Barendregt's work he has some interesting gauges will have to keep them in mind.

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Chris102 Chief Captain

Looks great Dave!
I see I'm an official guest of Fly Away One 👏

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lkw First Officer

QDT Package 03 for JCA_717-200
files in Zip at http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EWBH2WAF0OZW0H7VQR0Q8FWUG
717.cab
B717.cab
D717QDT.cab
Main.bmp

Install instructions:
Place cab files in Gauge folder
Place panel.cfg and MAIN.bmp in Panel folder
two packages by Rob Barendregt have been implemented
Groundhandling and rcb-gagues http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69682
E1234 Shift+E2 Selection Correction gauge http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=69681the gagues from these packages need to be installed in the gauge folders or gauges need to be
commented out in the panel.cfg file.

Changed made with this package;

Made the HDG/TRK button active along with assoicated indictor light. Will display the heading or track depending on button position.

Cleaned up IAS/MACH button. Was not happy with the way the speed was working you activated the auto throttle and pressed the button to activate MACH pressed another button to activate IAS press either of the activate buttons the auto throttle was deactivate with the button still lite. The IAS/MACH button now toggels between IAS and MACH with appropriate indicator light and display (the seperate IAS button eliminated). The auto throttle button activates and deactivates the mode not dependent on the IAS MACH setting.

Added icon for map.

Added hot spot for throttle panel (below the hot spot for the radio stack.

If you want to scope out what changed the following xml were altered
717.cab
AutopilotALT.xml
AutopilotHDG.xml
AutopilotNAV.xml
AutopilotVS.xml
Autothrottle.xml
B717.cab
Autopilot Heading Window.xml
Autopilot IAS-Mach Window.xml
Autopilot Track Heading Window.xml
B717QDT.cab
Throttle_THS.xml (added)
Main.bmp
added shading for additional icon
removed IAS button
panel.cfg
implemented the above gauges.

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lkw First Officer

A couple more tweeks.
The ALT and FROM buttons on the right both have the same function to togel altitude hold. This is just begging for additional functionality. After the tweed the FROM button opperates the same. The ALT button will turn on the altitude hold if hold is off, if hold is on it will set the altitude target to the current altitude and altitiude hold will stay on. Altitude hold can be turned off by toggeling the FROM button. This is accomplished by altering Autopiolot ALT.xml in the 717.cab. The click action is edited as follows

<Click> (A:Autopilot altitude lock, bool) if{ (A:Indicated Altitude, feet) (&K:AP_ALT_VAR_SET_ENGLISH) }
els{ (&K:AP_PANEL_ALTITUDE_HOLD) }
</Click>

The second tweek adds a close button to the gps panel.
You open and close the GPS panel normally but when open you have the option of clicking on the logo in the upper right corner to close the panel.

this is accomplished by adding a gauge the window 03 the GPS window.

in Panel.cfg you add gague01 after the gauge00

[Window03]
gauge01=cpt.icons!GPS_T, 390,12,40,23 // added lkw

This adds an existing gauge to window03 with no additional code required.

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