Kid in the cockpit

Wish I had National Geographic 😞 I love programs like that 😉

OMG ❗ ...what an un-responsible pilot-man.

i watched that 1 it was a scorcher

I heared about it!

Yeh I have seen that one only a few nights back.

It is a really good one.

Luckily I have 'SKy' TV and so I can watch all of Air Crash Investigations programs! 😉 😀

Wow. You gotta wonder a little bit about some people and their kids. It would make you ask though, did the pilot actually leave the cockipt or something? I would assume that he would tell his son to not touch anything. 🙄

It was i child and he wanted to touch everything.

National geodraphic transalates everything in french for me,but i don't get the same shows. 😞 Too bad.I'd like to have seen that one.

Fire_Emblem_Master wrote:

Wow. You gotta wonder a little bit about some people and their kids. It would make you ask though, did the pilot actually leave the cockipt or something? I would assume that he would tell his son to not touch anything. 🙄

I don't think the kid was left alone, but his dad had moved to the 3rd seat at the back of the cockpit, and his son turned the steering column around which set off a series of events that crashed the plane 😞

I will see if I can upload a few bits later

Well, I'm only 15, but I've been flying about 4k sim hours in jets similar to the size of the A310, including the A310.

Basically, the kid turned against the autopilot past the 30 second limit, and tripped the auto disconnect for the heading hold. Nobody seemed to notice this, even after the kid remarked "Why is it turning?"

At this point, had the crew picked up the error, they would have been flying on.

Another problem was that the autopilot was active in all other areas, which means that as the aircraft banked past the 45° danger threshold, the elevators and the throttles compensated. Some point during this the autopilot fully disconnected.

The aircraft stalled, which the pilots recovered from, but went into a secondary stall while recovering. This lead to the aircraft going into a tail spin.

You'd have thought the pilots would have known that the correct course of action in a tail spin is to let go of everything, right? Wrong.

Apparently, they started pumping the rudder, almost "waving" the control surfaces around. All this achieved was to lose a hell of a lot of altitude, and by the time the aircraft regained some form of stability, they found they had about 300 feet to level out from a steep dive. Whoops. Clang.

The moral of this story: Don't fly Aeroflot. 😛

-LtBrenton

i watched that program. no warnings to show the autopilot had been partially turned off.

and was it just me, or was the kid (actor) REALLY irritating and just 'that type'?

hinch wrote:

i watched that program. no warnings to show the autopilot had been partially turned off.

and was it just me, or was the kid (actor) REALLY irritating and just 'that type'?

Yes he was irritating(only acting at it 😉 )

I belive Airbus changed the warnings for part autopilot

Seen it before. what a dum thing to do. letting your kids in the cockpit .

and all he had to do was to let go. And it would of flew it self out of trouble. No training you see he did not know this.

hinch wrote:

i watched that program. no warnings to show the autopilot had been partially turned off.

and was it just me, or was the kid (actor) REALLY irritating and just 'that type'?

All kids are really irritating. 😂 😉

Oh, am I gonna get yelled at! 😂

From Wikipedia

On March 23, 1994 an Aeroflot Airbus A310-300, flying from Moscow (Sheremetyevo International Airport) to Hong Kong (Hong Kong International Airport), crashed into a hillside in Siberia. All 75 passengers and crew were killed. The flight cockpit voice recorder revealed that the pilot's 15-year-old son had been at the controls at the time.

After analysing the flight data recorder, investigators found that the plane, which had been flying normally, suddenly banked right, ascended rapidly, then went into a rapid descent. Even more shocking that the cause appeared to be deliberate. However when the flight voice recorder was recovered it was found that the pilot's 15-year-old son, Eldar Kudrinsky, had been at the controls when the plane went down. His son in fact unknowingly activated a feature of the autopilot most pilots at the time were unfamiliar with on the A310s.

The investigators concluded that the Aeroflot pilot, Yaroslav Kudrinsky, had allowed his son to take control of the aircraft. While Eldar was in control he turned the column to the right for over 30 seconds, partially disconnecting part of the autopilot, which Kudrinsky had ensured was on properly, before giving him manual control. Though a light did come on, as there was no warning sound that the autopilot was disconnected (all the airplanes the pilots had flown did have warning sounds), the pilots were unaware of this until the instruments showed that the plane was turning right and the flight path indicator changed to show they were in a hold (where pilots fly a plane around in a circle until they can land). This confused the pilots for nine seconds.

After this the plane banked at a 45-degree angle (steeper than it was designed for). This increased the G-force on the pilots and crew, making their bodies feel twice as heavy as they were and making it impossible for the Captain to replace his son at the controls. The remaining functions of the autopilot tried to correct this by putting the plane in an almost vertical ascent, nearly stalling the plane. The co-pilot and Eldar managed to get the plane into a nosedive, which reduced the G-force on the pilots and enabled Yaroslav to take the controls. Though he and his co-pilot did bring the plane back to flight level, their low altitude caused them to crash.

That was very helpful. Are there any other Airbus planes out there that have the feature of being able to disconnect the a/p with no audible warning. I may need to change my reservations.

OMG that story is terrific. Poor passengers.