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danicgross Guest

Hi--

Can someone give me some basic help on ILS, entering it on the radio, getting autopilot to work with it, meaning line me up on the runway, and started to decend (and land[?])

Thanks,
danicgross

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Manuel Agustin Clausse (Agus0404) Chief Captain

Here's a guide that I made a few months ago. The first part is FEM's guide. And the second part is mine. This should help you with the ILS and landing. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to contact me.

First of all, let me introduce you to the super, easy-to-read and understand guide of the skillful Fire_Emblem_Master:

THIS IS FOR IFR FLIGHT!

1. When ATC says something liek "WifeBeater 767, you are 32 Miles away. Turn right heading 105, descend and mantain 2,500 feet, cleared ILS runway 36R Approach". You have to click on your MAP icon in your cockipt. Then, move your mouse over the destination airport. Mind you, the airport MUST have the ILS feathers (thes are the green things that point to the runway). Double click on the airport. A list will show up. Scroll down the list untill you see a chart that shows Runway numbers. FInd 36R, or whatever your runway is. You look to the right and see a radio frequency. We'll use 100.100 because its easy to remember. Don't forget the frequency.

2. Open up your Radio Stack, and enter in 100.100 in the NAV1 Radio, usually the righmost radio number is the one that can be messed with. After you enter it 100.100, using the mouse wheel or clickin it. Press the button that looks like thsi somewhat, its in the middle of the 2 radio displays <-----> That changes the NAV1 Radio frequency from whatever it was, to what it is now (100.100)

3.Turn on the NAV1 Radio by clicking the switch at the bottom of the radio stack, unless its already on, like with the LearJet.

4. If you have Autopilot, and you are using GPS to follow waypoints, switch the NAV/GPS button back to NAV!!!! YOU CANT FORGET TO DO THAT!!! YOU'LL BURN AND DIE IF YOU DONT!!

5. Follow ATC directions to approach. Now, when you approach the Runway, you will see the pink arrows near your attitude indicator move...usually Heading first, then Altitude. Simply fly in the directon and atitude of the pink arrows intull they center themselves, that means you're on the glideslope!

6. If you wanna use the autopilot to fly the approach, simply follow steps 1-4, then click the APPR button on the autopilot panel.

Copyrights of Fire_Emblem_Master All rights Reserved Do not photocopy ( Laughing )

I'm just kidding. Anyway, Fire_Emblem_Master should get an award for this guide. It helps a lot.

Well, this is your first step. There are different approaches that you can make to a runway: ILS, VOR, NDB ADF, GPS, and visual approach. I'm going to talk about the ILS approach, since Fire_Emblem_Master's guide refers to it.

When you are approaching the airport and before you contact with the Tower, you can do two different things:

1. Use the App. mode in the autopilot, so the autopilot makes the shoots the approach for you and you don't have to move a finger. Well, actually you do have to move your fingers. You need to control the speed and flaps, landing gears, autobrakes, etc. But the approach is perfomed entirely by the autopilot. To land, just disengage the App. mode, switch off the Auto Throttle an other switches if you want, and land the plane manually. That's what I usually do. But is good practice to perform a hand-approach. I've been using the App. mode since last week, hehe. I wanted to use it and that's what I'm doing now. But I also perform hand-approaches, which I'd recommend you to learn it. This points comes to the second option.
Note: To use the App. mode you should have to se the NAV/GPS switch to NAV and you also should have the ICAO code of the airport in your GPS.

2. Don't use the App. Mode and do the approach manually. I know this is hard but you just need to practice, practice, and practice.
Before approaching the airport, you should tune the ILS frequency of the runway in. That means, set the ICAO code of your destination airport, go to the frequencies page and find your ILS (or whatever approach you use) frequency. You should set the right frequency. Example: you are going to land on runway 09, look to the ILS 09 frequency.
After that, set that frequency into the radio stack and turn on the Nav 1 or 2. Also check the MRK (marker) button, which is going to make sounds when you pass through different markers, like OM, IM, and MM. Then, arm the spoilers, set the flaps, retract the landing gear and set the autobrakes.
After this, all you have to do is look at Fire_Emblem_Master's ILS guide. That would help you. Start turning towards the runway heading and try to have glide slope and the localizer needles in the center. If you have both needles in the center your are right on the altitude and heading. Just keep this and land manually.

That's it. Was it easy? Complicated? Boring? Did you get tired reading all this? I know, it's long, but helpful.

danicgross Guest

Hi again--

I took off from JFK to Newark (flight planner), I set the correct freq. on the radio.
Most of the flight, I set it to Navigate with the GPS, but as soon as I get a visual on the airport and landing confimation, I switch to APR and tick the switch to Nav.
As soon as I do that, the plane tries to crash itself, and I have to disarm the AutoPilot.

Any help?

Thanks,
Danicgross

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nottobe Captain

maybe your altitude button is not pushed.......

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nottobe Captain

i am not rated IFR yet, but this is what I am trying. I gotta make myself clear b4 I start to harass the control tower: do i need to fly the traffic pattern if I plan to go ILS? If the tower ask me to enter downwind to land, how to I set the autopilot? How do I make the transition from GPS course to ILS beam?
thanks a lot

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Jonathan (99jolegg) Chief Captain

If you are performing an ILS approach then I don't think you do need to enter the pattern. You use the GPS, well you can use the GPS, until ATC tells you to turn to final, or until you hear the morse code identifier. This means you are near the runway ILS and can then see the GS indicator on the HSI, meaning you are established. This is when you need to switch the toggle switch of GPS/NAV to NAV. Once ATC clear you to land it is definitely safe to use the APP button.

Danicgross - Try swithing to NAV before you press the APP button, that may help. Also make sure that you have the correct frequency in NAV 1 or 2 and the button at the bottom of the NAV screen for NAV1/2 toggled.
Make sure you have the ILS course heading entered into the course selector.

Try that, hope it works! Very Happy

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Manuel Agustin Clausse (Agus0404) Chief Captain

99jolegg is right. Try what he just said. If you still have problems, let us know them and we will help you Wink .

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leadfoot First Officer

Just hand fly the damned thing. That's what I do.

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Alex (Fire_Emblem_Master) Chief Captain

I'd agree with Leadfoot, hand fly before you use autopilot with ILS. That's how I learned to do it. It's actually easier, but it's really weird, because what you do is FOCUS...STARE at the glide slope indicator, don't look out the front window untill minimums! This works wonders Cool

cracked! Guest

can someone explain me why is my plane still aligning at the almost end of the runway, its turning like 10 degree turns.....

after it passes the run way the app. mod turns off , how do i land it????

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Jonathan (99jolegg) Chief Captain

I don't really know what you mean, could you explain a bit more please Very Happy

cracked! Guest

its like when ur plane is at the almost end of the glideslope, its still turning left and right trying to align. by the time it stops turning the runway is already few miles away, wwell it switches off automatically....

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Jonathan (99jolegg) Chief Captain

Thats probably because you've engaged the APP too early. The AP is not great for aligning, as it tends to over compensate. Gte yourself lined up manually and then switch it on with the NAV button toggled. Also try to intercept the glideslope further back i.e. 15nm+ , especially for bigger jets as it takes longer to turn and you will not be aligned with the runway in time to land.

The reason it switched off is probably because your too fast or too steeper angle. Intercepting the GS further away will eradicate that problem Very Happy

Hope that helps

cracked! Guest

how do i intercept the glideslope further back i.e. 15nm+ ??? thx for u reply!

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Jonathan (99jolegg) Chief Captain

Sorry, I didn't mean intercept the glideslope, at 15nm+, I wrote that but didn't mean it Embarassed . If you are lined up with the runway at 15nm+ at a specific altitude then you can intercept the ILS as soon as it is online and you do not have to make drastic movements. You can line up with the runway 40nm plus sometimes! Hope that helps, sorry for writing poop above Rolling Eyes

cracked! Guest

that means u have to do most of it by hand.......thats too hard.....

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Greg (FL050) First Officer

If you keep the APP button on the AutoPilot active, it will fly the approach for you up until Decision Height with is 200 AGL.

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